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Re: "Candid Camera" - Indianapolis Style
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2011, 12:34:03 PM »
It's another reason why I prefer to photograph rusty branch lines and abandoned tracks!

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Re: "Candid Camera" - Indianapolis Style
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2011, 02:08:16 PM »
I've noticed one camera placed by CSX up here near Auburn, which is used to watch over a bridge crossing the tracks.  The bridge itself has signs placed on it by the "CSX Environmental Police" warning that the bridge is monitored due to people dumping onto the tracks from the bridge. 

The thing I find amusing is that (A) the camera only views the bridge, as the tracks are obstructed by the bridge and trees, and (B) there doesn't seem to be any type of coax or power cable going to the camera.

Of course, I'm also wondering if, while warning vandals, the railroad vandalized a bridge they don't own by attaching signs to it...

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Re: "Candid Camera" - Indianapolis Style
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2011, 06:33:44 PM »
Oh, so you know how the system is set up do you?

No, but I'm afraid I wasn't referring to your system.
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Re: "Candid Camera" - Indianapolis Style
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2011, 06:44:24 PM »
I've noticed one camera placed by CSX up here near Auburn, which is used to watch over a bridge crossing the tracks.  The bridge itself has signs placed on it by the "CSX Environmental Police" warning that the bridge is monitored due to people dumping onto the tracks from the bridge. 

The thing I find amusing is that (A) the camera only views the bridge, as the tracks are obstructed by the bridge and trees, and (B) there doesn't seem to be any type of coax or power cable going to the camera.

Of course, I'm also wondering if, while warning vandals, the railroad vandalized a bridge they don't own by attaching signs to it...

I believe I know the the bridge you are referring to out near the State Line.  Lots of kids out there placing stuff on the tracks, hanging out on the bridge, etc.  A few years ago, they went so far as to place a cinder block via a rope at cab level.  A friend of mine ended up hitting that thing at 50 mph, smashing out the cab window.  He suffered cuts when the windshield shattered.  So frankly, I'm glad they are monitoring the hooligans that hang out up there.  At that point it went beyond young people having fun.  Even if the camera is just a deterrent, with no power, and one is actually watching it.

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Re: "Candid Camera" - Indianapolis Style
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2011, 12:33:47 PM »
More than a few odd/dangerous bits of "mischief"  out in that neck of the woods over the years unfortunately.  First year I lived in Ft. Wayne (1993) a kid threw a cinderblock from the CR 68 overpass into traffic on I-69 and it went through a windshield and the person into car bled to death at the Rest Stop just up the freeway before help could arrive.   A few years after that, people cut the guy wires on the NS Repeater Tower & the Transmission Tower for a TV station near St. Joe causing both to collapse.  So unfortunately actions like that out there don't surprise me at all.

I believe I know the the bridge you are referring to out near the State Line.  Lots of kids out there placing stuff on the tracks, hanging out on the bridge, etc.  A few years ago, they went so far as to place a cinder block via a rope at cab level.  A friend of mine ended up hitting that thing at 50 mph, smashing out the cab window.  He suffered cuts when the windshield shattered.  So frankly, I'm glad they are monitoring the hooligans that hang out up there.  At that point it went beyond young people having fun.  Even if the camera is just a deterrent, with no power, and one is actually watching it.

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Re: "Candid Camera" - Indianapolis Style
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2011, 02:06:09 PM »
That would be the wrong barometer.  From every report I have seen, graffiti happens more at the industry, off railroad property.  This seems to hold true when you look at the lack of graffiti on cars that would be at high security industry's, such as coal and ethanol cars.

Industries are using cameras too

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Re: "Candid Camera" - Indianapolis Style
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2011, 03:01:56 PM »
Industries are using cameras too

Your point?

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Re: "Candid Camera" - Indianapolis Style
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2011, 03:44:16 PM »
The terrorists have succeeded.
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Re: "Candid Camera" - Indianapolis Style
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2011, 12:36:45 AM »
The terrorists have succeeded.

^my point.
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Re: "Candid Camera" - Indianapolis Style
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2011, 12:52:35 AM »
Your point?
You said that using graffiti on cars is the wrong barometer, and most of it happens in the industry.  So to say that industries are using cameras too is a logical point.  I understood why he said that.

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« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2011, 09:50:56 AM »
I don't think the cameras are a sign that the terrorists have succeeded.

I think we have a society with a growing number of people who were raised without respect for others, coupled with the arrival of powerful new technologies that make it easier to monitor places that need to be protected.

I'm not advocating a Big Brother world, but if a railroad wants to keep an eye on an area where vandalism is a problem, so they can protect their employees and equipment from harm, more power to them. And if that means I have to stand 20 feet farther back to take a photo, so be it.

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Re: "Candid Camera" - Indianapolis Style
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2011, 10:17:16 AM »
I agree, if the railroad wants to protect their property more power to them. Hopefully they can distinguish who's friend and who's foe. Where I take photos I've seen many Sheriff Dept. cars dirve by. Most of them don't care. They know a camera is harmless. Most of them have actually smiled and waved as they pass by.

And this is exactly why I prefer a lonesome county road in the middle of nowhere to take photos. I'm not going to lie, I've walked across the tracks a few times. But it's not hurting anything if no one can see. I know someone on here is going to act like a Gestapo Officer over it, but so be it.

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« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2011, 11:37:38 AM »
I have video surveillance around my house.  I have the cameras aimed to view MY property as best as I can aim them.  They do also include partial views of my neighbor's property and the street in front of my house in the periphery of the views. I use a computer with motion detecting software (Vitamin D Video) to record the scenes if something moves in areas of the scenes that I defined in the program.  Actually, all the video is recorded, but only certain segments where motion was detected is kept longer than a couple of days, and that video is kept until the computer diskdrive is full, at which point only the oldest is deleted.
 
There are legalities involved in this and I have to be careful to not include portions of my neighbor's property that might be considered "private" in the scenes the cameras view (i.e.: I can't let my camera view in their windows such that one could tell what they are doing, even if I can stand on my property and see in the windows myself!).  But if my camera happens to catch, say my neighbor across the street beating his wife with a sledgehammer in his front yard, I would be remiss in my civic/moral duties to not report what it recorded.  However if he is merely chopping holes in HIS house then that is his business and I should stay out of it... But, what if he is a renter?  What if my video recording is of someone driving a car up over the neighbor's prize flowerbed and I can tell whose car it is?  I hope I never have to make those decisions!
 
I am reminded of the old joke about the old lady that called the police about a neighbor man walking around in the nude.  A police officer came to her house to investigate what was going on.  She said that from her bedroom she could see the man next door in his house completely nude.  The officer went to the bedroom and looked out the window and into the neighbor's house and could indeed see the neighbor but could only tell he was shirtless because he could only see him from the waist up.  He told the lady that due to the way the windows were situated he could not tell if the man was completely naked or not.  The woman became frantic and began to shout, "Well... Stand on the bed, stand on the bed!"
 
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Re: "Candid Camera" - Indianapolis Style
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2011, 01:11:03 PM »
I have video surveillance around my house.  I have the cameras aimed to view MY property as best as I can aim them.  They do also include partial views of my neighbor's property and the street in front of my house in the periphery of the views. I use a computer with motion detecting software (Vitamin D Video) to record the scenes if something moves in areas of the scenes that I defined in the program.  Actually, all the video is recorded, but only certain segments where motion was detected is kept longer than a couple of days, and that video is kept until the computer diskdrive is full, at which point only the oldest is deleted.
 
There are legalities involved in this and I have to be careful to not include portions of my neighbor's property that might be considered "private" in the scenes the cameras view (i.e.: I can't let my camera view in their windows such that one could tell what they are doing, even if I can stand on my property and see in the windows myself!).  But if my camera happens to catch, say my neighbor across the street beating his wife with a sledgehammer in his front yard, I would be remiss in my civic/moral duties to not report what it recorded.  However if he is merely chopping holes in HIS house then that is his business and I should stay out of it... But, what if he is a renter?  What if my video recording is of someone driving a car up over the neighbor's prize flowerbed and I can tell whose car it is?  I hope I never have to make those decisions!
 
I am reminded of the old joke about the old lady that called the police about a neighbor man walking around in the nude.  A police officer came to her house to investigate what was going on.  She said that from her bedroom she could see the man next door in his house completely nude.  The officer went to the bedroom and looked out the window and into the neighbor's house and could indeed see the neighbor but could only tell he was shirtless because he could only see him from the waist up.  He told the lady that due to the way the windows were situated he could not tell if the man was completely naked or not.  The woman became frantic and began to shout, "Well... Stand on the bed, stand on the bed!"
 


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Re: "Candid Camera" - Indianapolis Style
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2011, 03:28:33 PM »
You said that using graffiti on cars is the wrong barometer, and most of it happens in the industry.  So to say that industries are using cameras too is a logical point.  I understood why he said that.

Not really.  Cameras at an industry would be aimed to protect the industry's assits, which for the most part a railroad car is not.  Next time you are out looking, take a look at cars that spend time in a industry that would have high security.  Coal cars, ethanol cars, coke cars, auto racks and intermodal equipment has far less graffiti than other types of cars. 

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Re: "Candid Camera" - Indianapolis Style
« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2011, 03:01:24 PM »
On the other hand I've been hassled by private security guards for taking pictures from public sidewalks and streets of railroad equipment on their property.  I pointed out to one of them that I was standing on a public sidewalk and had every right to be there. 

They need to know their limits as well as railfans.

A railfan friend of mine practices the "four minute rule" where it will take a security guard about four minutes to arrive after noticing something or someone, so he always makes sure to take a quick picture then disappear quickly even if taking it from a public space like a road bridge going over a yard.  We do not trespass on private property, including railroad ROWs, yet have still been hassled.