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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #340 on: May 24, 2007, 08:49:35 AM »
Passenger service on this route lasted into the Amtrak era. The Big Four route was the route chosen for Cincinnati-Chicago service, but it didn't last long as Penn Central's deteriorating track eventually led to the train being rerouted onto the C&O of Indiana.

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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #341 on: May 24, 2007, 10:21:53 PM »
Hey Scraphauler, you ever think about getting into the people mover business????? Put some "cushy" seats and beverage service in some of those "lovely scrap cars" and you might have a potential gold mine on your hands. There is some "vacant" land adjacent to the RR tracks in S'Ville that could be used for car parking and some slight renovating to the old NYC passenger station and you are in business on this end. I think "Coach" has a tremendous idea here.


No money in hauling people - lots of money in hauling metal  :P   I have a customer who ships regularly to a facility SOUTH of Mexico City in my cars.  I'm alway worried that someone will do exactly what you propose above (or worse  :) )

Seriously though, I ALMOST did go into the passenger game - I had already taken the physical and drug test for Amtrak Chicago back in 2000 - was up there twice on interviews.  Of course, it was in their express/mail division (or whatever they called it).  Offer came from DJJ the day before I was ready to formally accepts Amtrak's offer.   Think that one turned out for the best!
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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #342 on: May 24, 2007, 11:22:31 PM »
I was in Liberty Park in Batesville & saw a little red engine heading towards Greensburg at 7:25 pm.  At 8:45 pm it was hooking up the 4 CSX cars along with the transformer & taking them away from Honda East.  Not sure where they were taking the transformer!?

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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #343 on: May 25, 2007, 02:12:31 PM »
He went back east through Batesville sometime around 11PM.  Had 4 empty CSXT gons and 2 empty tankers from Next Generation - no transformer.  So the transformer still in Gburg somewhere - and has to be costing someone a ton on demurage.   HD cars (like this one) that are registered with the AAR as Heavy Capacity and Special Type Flat Cars are all subject to AAR's detention schedule.  Demurrage rates vary by car type, owner, etc., but for the most part, work something like this - hours 0-24 free, hours 25 through 48 $100, hours 49 though 72 $300, hours 73 through 96 $500, and so on.  This is payable to the AAR/Car owner and is above and beyond whatever the railroad is charging.  Keeping one of these cars idle at unloading point can easily rack up a demurrage bill well in the thousands....but what's a little demurrage on an over 1/2 billion dollar project.
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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #344 on: May 25, 2007, 05:07:56 PM »
Sounds like the police need to put out an APB on a missing 100+ ton transformer.  Not the type of thing you can easily hide in a garage.  ;D

Cushy seats and beverage service in scrap gons was already tried on this line.  It doesn't work because people keep standing up, blocking the view of the people in the cushy seats.  ;)   Here is one of those trains passing through Morris, IN, just east of Batesville.  http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=152311

The interurban line was the Indianapolis and Cincinnati Traction Co.  In 1929 it re-orged as the Indianapolis & Southeastern Railroad Co.  It ran from Indy to Greensburg (with connecting bus service from Greensburg to Cincy) and Indy to Connersville.  The Greensburg portion opened in 1907 and went out of business in 1932 because of lack of ridership as most people had cars by then.  My grandmother, who grew up in Greensburg, remembered riding it to doctor appointments in Indianapolis (when they had to see a specialist).  Many artifacts from the line are still visible, including most of the bridge abutments.  The tracks ran down the middle of hwy 46 (Main St.) in Greensburg and the depot was the building on the corner of Main and East St., which is still standing (I think, if not it was the next building to the west of this one).  The line paralleled the north side of the CIND main until Thompson Rd, where the tracks swung to the north on an incline and then looped back to the west to crossover the CIND main.  The bridge abutments and some of the incline are still visible from Thompson Rd.

With all of the action going on at Honda (rail work, road work, power lines, building progress, water tower? and good weather for earthmoving), I thought Mr. Scheidler would have posted more pics by now.  :'(

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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #345 on: May 25, 2007, 06:23:14 PM »
I sat through a rather boring conference call this afternoon that touched on some of Honda's plans for Greensburg. Honda seems almost set on using Greensburg to build export bound Civics. Those will be shipped by rail to a yet to be announced port on the east coast (look for somewhere served by NS.) Honda also is kicking around the idea of splitting production at Greensburg and East Liberty based on the destination of where the Civic is heading. Greensburg would get the lion's share of U.S. Civic production: south, southwest, west coast, and the pacific northwest. East Liberty would handle the midwest, northeast, northern mid-atlantic and Canadian markets. These are smaller markets and will allow East Liberty to build other models for Honda.  The thought is that this will maximize the efficiencies of rail and trucking options with the rising fuel and shipping charges. Nothing is 100% on this as it is still in the study stages.


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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #346 on: May 26, 2007, 01:41:19 AM »
hello all!
Great discussions as usual/ I have not tried to post pics her eyet, but thought I would try a couple of the old traction line as mentioned through Greensburg.
Also, scuttlebutt at the copshop is there are 36 car loads of equipment Honda wants in the plant by rail and are hoping the rail line get done inside the plant to move it in.
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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #347 on: May 26, 2007, 09:24:57 AM »
Isn't that building in the 2nd pic Rick Adams Pool Supply now right on #46 (Main St.) in Greensburg?

Great pics KM9X & Bob! 

All evening action at Honda site was being done on the west side last night.  Beatty had crews working on the bridge over Muddy Fork.  They won the bids for that bridge & the overpass of I-74.  They hope to get a few more bids this summer.  The water tower is going UP!  And the new county road is shaping up in dirt form right now around the orchard on the north side.  The new 421 path is getting a lot of attention as are a couple spots on the north side of I-74.  Piles of water lines sit near the new tower on the west end & by Vandalia on the east end of Honda. 

WTRE photos would be GREAT to see!  They spoiled us initially.

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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #348 on: May 26, 2007, 11:09:05 AM »
Isn't that building in the 2nd pic Rick Adams Pool Supply now right on #46 (Main St.) in Greensburg?
The depot is still standing, on the north side of Main, just west of East Street.  So if that's where the pool supply is, then yep :)
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Re: Honda Plant update!!! THE TRAIN THE TRAIN!!
« Reply #349 on: May 27, 2007, 04:11:52 AM »
Well, as I sit working night shift for the holiday weekend, (yep, real fun!) at exactly 4 am Sunday morning, a train came through Greensburg, past the PD. Led by one of the red and ? colored engines, and the black HCLX switcher-looking engine. Then here came the cars. One gon, couple flatbeds maybe, hard to see in the dark, but looked like some kind of a little switcher engine, like you see at grain elevators.. A crane of some sort on the next car and then about 36?? long cars hauling something long, (makes sense!) looked like pipe maybe. Hard to see. I know that isn't much info, but it's a lead for anyone that might want to take a look at this overnight action.
I love this board. Everyone's input has made this the best place anywhere to keep up on this RR line and Honda's involvement. I have gave our department some forewarning on rumors already. Guess the rumor we heard here, that I posted, about the 36 carloads.. must have been true!
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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #350 on: May 27, 2007, 09:45:27 AM »
It is brand new railway sitting on those cars & it looks like they are all one piece or connected already.  There are two pieces of yellow CSX equipment ready for the job.  Nice work Dan!  We need some photographers on ground.  I found out last night that WTRE fired Matt Scheidler about a week & a half ago so that would explain why we don't have any aerial shots lately!

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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #351 on: May 27, 2007, 12:32:14 PM »
I was awakened around 7 this morning by an eastbound train.  Turned out to be CFE 3882 (GP-38 in Red/Gray) and HLCX 1401 (MP-15 in Green/Yellow) headed back to Valley Engine lite.   What Dan saw last night and Coach this morning is a loaded CSXT welded rail train - has 32 1/4 mile sticks of rail on it.  It's also a new train and is equipped with a gantry crane that runs the length of train on trolley rails on edge of cars.   As for photos Coach, ask and ye shall receive.
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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #352 on: May 27, 2007, 12:36:53 PM »
Nice to see they are spending the money on putting down good rail.

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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #353 on: May 27, 2007, 12:37:54 PM »
No additional track work has taken place - just the initial track installed a couple weeks ago now, plus the pile of material continues to grow.  Looks to me like they built just enough track at the site to start getting material in, as welded rail train currently on spot is shoved to a car length or two of the end of track and only clears Vandalia road by 4 or 5 cars.  Below pic show the vast amount of materail now on hand.

Also, the transformer is now spotted on the main in town by the Greensburg Street department - you car drive right along side of it in the alley and it is visible from Main Street behind Doc's BP.  
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« Reply #354 on: May 27, 2007, 11:11:30 PM »
Awesome pics Scraphauler!  That's what I saw this morning & thanks for the details!  I too saw the transformer behind BP on my way out of town this morning.

Apparently, Matt Scheidler was let go by the "parent" station out of Columbus.  That's a shame for WTRE sports & aerial photos of Honda.

Dan, my son asked me if anybody heard the train this morning about 4:30.  I told him you did!

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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #355 on: May 27, 2007, 11:16:24 PM »
I finally got some time to go up to Greensburg to see things for myself this evening. Snapped some photos of the same locations like Scraphauler did, minus the nice sunshine. I did notice the transformer sitting on the main near the police station. What I'm wondering is, how much is that costing for the car that the transformer is sitting on? It's been in Greensburg for over a week now.

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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #356 on: May 28, 2007, 06:31:54 PM »
Nice to see they are spending the money on putting down good rail.

Is all that nice new rail only the mainline replacement or will that be used for the siding track inside the Honda compound? The rail those "railcars" are sitting on seems to be really short, bolted together sections of rail. Reckon it will be replaced with what is on the cars or does it really matter?
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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #357 on: May 28, 2007, 09:24:08 PM »
Based solely on the original plans I saw 6-8 months ago, I guesstimate that there will be about 13-15 miles of track built at the facility.  If I remember correctly, the storage yard is 8 tracks wide by about 10,000 feet long - that's nearly 8 miles of track there alone before you build 3 miles of mainline, loading tracks, passing track, or any other industry or support track.  Train up there right now has 32, 1/4 mile sticks on it - that's 4 miles of track, or just enough for half the yard.  My understanding is this train will make 2 or 3 more trips.  I think the track train is parked on was built in order to start getting train like this in.  If they come back and replace this piece (or weld in place) probably depends on what they do with rest of main line to Cincinnati.   
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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #358 on: May 28, 2007, 11:02:01 PM »
KM9X - Nice pics of the old interurban line.  I had seen the first one, but not the second.  I had been told there was a Y in front of that building and they ran the cars downhill (down Main st. towards the east) to turn them.  Do you have anymore?

scraphauler - While you were posting your pics yesterday, I was arriving at the Honda site taking the same ones.  If those cars are 58'8" long (including the distance between cars), the 22.5 carloads are precisely 1/4 mile.  However, they don't look quite that long to me.  They did have markings on the side (L 56-5, IL 60-10, I might have the L and IL numbers backwards - any idea what these numbers indicate?)

In post #262 I threw out the question of whether the additional property Honda acquired on the northwest corner of the original purchase was to accomodate a better alignment of the curve in the mainline at the north end of the relocation.  (this is the small field on the west side of the original Honda property, shown in the diagram on post #259, just east of the Decatur Co. EDC Railpark - back in the fall I had reported that the security guard said Honda had purchased additional acreage, and it seems to have been this field.).  The additional 100 yards of mainline which have recently been removed on the north end of the property seem to support this.

The picture below was taken on 5/26/07, looking northwest on the northwest side of Honda, from the point where the mainline ended only a few weeks ago.  The markers indicating the previously planned alignment have all been removed.  Looks like the beginning of the curve in the mainline is being pushed back further towards the northwest.

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Re: Honda Plant update!!!
« Reply #359 on: May 29, 2007, 12:25:10 PM »
Wonder what the planned alignment was in degree.  I can't imagine them putting anything over 2d in there, if they have any plans on running through stuff.