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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #640 on: February 05, 2014, 11:58:22 AM »
All I will say is, things very much changed when RA was removed from the picture.  Things I think it was safe to say had soured so badly that other options at the time were the best option. 
Rebuilding the IMC was seen as a long term thing, so when you look at the cost of it, it wasn't as bad as you think. 
Had the GW deal not transpired as quickly as it did, you would likely be seeing the grain trains moving up and down the IMC right now.  There were too many things in place for it not to happen, but the ability for KG not to spend money made it easy up front.  Though I am sure the IMC will always remain a wildcard for KG and their ability to move the grain if needed.

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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #641 on: February 05, 2014, 12:42:56 PM »
Ra, us rail, and Kokomo grain had a real pissing match going. G&W management put a quick end to it.

Ra was denying the use of the tp&w in logansport to the wsry because of it. Wsry could not get between. Their two halves.

That said us rail is in a death spiral. They were booted out of all their other operations.
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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #642 on: February 05, 2014, 01:20:10 PM »
In a death spiral you say? I wonder who will take over their operations should they finally be put 6 feet under.


Back on topic: I have to agree with those who have said that G&W buying out RA ended the fued with KG/WSRY immediately. Now maybe the IMC could be put in as an alternate route should the worse case happen with the primary route KG uses for their grain. Seems like a good idea to me.
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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #643 on: February 05, 2014, 08:46:23 PM »
Would not be surprised if G&W offers to buy WSRY outright. Plenty of local business, guarantee Ortman good rates on shipping his grain and Ortman can be rid of the headache of trying to run a railroad. US Rail is out of the picture and everyone will see orange units running around. (probably still see a few black NS run thru units)    Money talks and we all know what walks!!!

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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #644 on: February 05, 2014, 08:54:37 PM »
KG saw what happens when you don't own a line under your own loadout.....

I could see letting them lease the operation in full, but I honestly can't see them making a mistake.  The Winamac line was a tough one. 
The only thing they care about is being able to move the grain, as long as it moves with competitive rates, then fine.  By owning the lines too, they can more control that fate of the middle man operator.

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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #645 on: February 05, 2014, 09:02:56 PM »
The problem with the grain traffic is that it's going to be up to NS marketing to ultimately make the rates on the grain traffic. Sure US Rail and G&W get a taste of the move, but in the long run what leverage do they have with making rates....? Scraphauler can throw his two cents on this, but I would say a short line with no alternative interchange is basically a spoke in the wheel when it comes to grain traffic with the Class 1s.

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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #646 on: February 05, 2014, 09:23:04 PM »
It was more of a mutual agreement between the city and US Rail to terminate the operating agreement early. City had two law suits pending against US Rail but neither seemed to be moving along. State of Ohio offered to take the line over to help get rid of US Rail, but dropped their interest last year. I don't think US Rail was making anything on the operation so just gave up to save the litigation. All of the six axles other than the one in Kokomo were scrapped that were part of their grand plans of a lease fleet. Two former Alaskan GP49s were still sitting in Columbus on CSX. Presume they will end up in Kokomo. There also were two former Helm GP40-2s on the Jackson lines.

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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #647 on: June 13, 2014, 02:36:37 PM »
It's been a bit depressing watching the IMC grow up again in weeds after all the on again - off again excitement, so I thought I'd post one pleasant result of the rehabbed depot in Kokomo along the trail.
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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #648 on: June 13, 2014, 03:33:05 PM »
Thanks for posting Monty.  I almost closed this thread out but figured what the heck...who knows what might happen

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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #649 on: June 13, 2014, 07:01:49 PM »
Yes.  Thanks indeed.  That's a sharp looking depot.  Now we just need some trains to go past it.

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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #650 on: June 15, 2014, 08:00:46 PM »
Paul Akers is the place to be.

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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #651 on: June 15, 2014, 08:40:10 PM »
Since it's mid-2014, and that hasn't happened, then yes it is old.
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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #652 on: June 16, 2014, 05:25:31 PM »
Plans were slid to the back burner when G&W took over Rail America aka CERA.  Better working relationship but im sure the plans are not trashed given some things.

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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #653 on: June 16, 2014, 07:56:57 PM »
The cast of characters associated with the railroad scene around Kokomo are all school children attending Our Lady of Perpetual Motion Elementary School.  The plan to reactivate the IMC to Tipton is the giant heavy wooden ruler that Sister Mary Iron Horse is carrying, ready to crack the knuckles of anyone who steps out of line. 

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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #654 on: June 16, 2014, 09:32:01 PM »
well put scraphauler!  ;D
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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #655 on: June 16, 2014, 09:56:47 PM »
On a related note, CERA is getting ready to install a boat load of ties between Kokomo and Marion. Plans to bring the line back up to 25 mph?

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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #656 on: June 16, 2014, 10:57:00 PM »
On a related note, CERA is getting ready to install a boat load of ties between Kokomo and Marion. Plans to bring the line back up to 25 mph?

or as someone said "just trying to keep those bix sixes on the rail!"

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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #657 on: June 16, 2014, 11:09:54 PM »
or as someone said "just trying to keep those bix sixes on the rail!"

The line is still in "decent" shape at 10 mph.  Mountain of new ties is in Greentown at the site of the former fertilizer dealer while there are bundles of new ties dropped off along the line every tenth to quarter mile of the line all the way from Kokomo to Marion. Maybe 10-15 ties per bundle.

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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #658 on: June 17, 2014, 01:00:21 PM »
Might be just working to meet the FRA mandated minimum number of good ties per rail length to keep from becoming "excepted" track ???
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Re: IMC brush-clearing
« Reply #659 on: June 17, 2014, 04:14:01 PM »
Here's a shot of the depot from the west side looking E - SE.
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