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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2009, 05:34:09 PM »
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Crocker...EJ&E with the Wabash.
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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2009, 10:16:13 PM »
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Shirley-Two Big Four branches
North Vernon-B&O and Big Four
Losantville-C&O and Big Four
Ben Davis-PRR (St. Louis) and PRR (I&F branch)
Greencastle-PRR and Monon
Fairland-Big Four Shelbyville Line and Big Four branch
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« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2009, 08:25:54 PM »
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Shirley-Two Big Four branches
North Vernon-B&O and Big Four
Losantville-C&O and Big Four
Ben Davis-PRR (St. Louis) and PRR (I&F branch)
Greencastle-PRR and Monon
Fairland-Big Four Shelbyville Line and Big Four branch


Davis is not a Ghost... the I&F is alive and well
Greencastle is not either... the MON still exists too
Fairland still has the Shelbyville in place.

A "Ghost Junction" would be a place that had a diamond or interchange at one time, but now has nothing. Dunreith would be a perfect example. Once had the PRR and NKP, now just ballast and weeds.

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« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2009, 11:02:13 PM »
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Here's a list I came up with a few years ago.  Junctions involving interurbans are not included.


GHOST JUNCTIONS
KOUTS – CR ex-Erie main, CR ex-PRR Panhandle main
WILDERS – CR ex-Erie main, CSX ex-Monon Mich. City line, Chicago, Attica & Southern line to LaCrosse
AIRLINE – CR ex-PRR Panhandle main, CSX ex-Monon line
CROCKER – EJ&E Porter line, NS ex-Wabash Toledo line
CLARKS HILL – CR ex-NYC Big Four Indianapolis main, NS ex-NKP ex-Cloverleaf main
SAN PIERRE – CSX ex-Monon Mich. City line, CR ex-NYC Kankakee Belt 
MOROCCO – CR ex-NYC Egyptian Line, Chicago, Attica & Southern line to Momence
PERCY JCT. – joining of Chicago, Attica & Southern's LaCrosse and Momence lines
WESTVILLE – NS ex-Wabash Toledo line, CSX ex-Monon Michigan City line
KEWANNA – CSX ex-C&O main, CR ex-PRR  Logansport-South Bend Vandalia line
ZADOC – Chicago, Attica & Southern line to LaCrosse, Monon ex-Chicago & Wabash Valley
WESTFIELD – CSX ex-Monon Indianapolis line, CR ex-Central of Indiana
COLFAX – CR ex-NYC Big Four Indianapolis main, PC ex-PRR Frankfort-Terre Haute Vandalia line
VEEDERSBURG – NS ex-NKP ex-Cloverleaf main, CR ex-NYC ex-P&E main, Chicago, Attica & Southern
COVINGTON – CR ex-NYC ex-P&E main, NS ex-Wabash Covington branch
DeLONG – CR ex-Erie main, PC ex-PRR Logansport-South Bend Vandalia line
SHIRLEY – CR ex-NYC Big Four Columbus OH line, CKSI  ex-NYC Big Four Anderson-Greensburg branch
DUNREITH – CR ex-PRR Panhandle Indianapolis-Columbus OH main, IHRC ex-NKP Newcastle-Rushville branch
LYNN – PC ex-NYC Big Four Columbus OH line, CR ex-GR&I line
NEWTON – CR ex-Erie main, PC ex-PRR Logansport-Butler line
LAKEVILLE – NS ex-Wabash Toledo line, PC ex-PRR Logansport-South Bend Vandalia line
DENVER – PC ex-PRR Logansport-Butler line, CERA ex-NKP ex-LE&W Peru-Mich. City branch
HOOVER – PC ex-PRR Logansport-Butler line, CSX ex-C&O main
MAGEE – NS ex-Wabash Toledo line, CSX ex-PM line
BUNKER HILL – CR ex-PRR Panhandle Columbus OH main, CERA ex-NKP ex-LE&W Peru-Mich. City branch
LAOTTO – PC ex-PRR Logansport-Butler line, PC ex-PRR ex-GR&I line
WEST MELCHER – Chicago, Attica & Southern, CSX ex-B&O Indianapolis-Decatur IL line
ROSEDALE – PC ex-PRR Terre Haute-Crawfordsvile Vandalia line, CSX ex-B&O West Melcher-Brazil line
WAVELAND – PC ex-PRR Terre Haute-Crawfordsville Vandalia line, Central of Indiana
GUION – PC ex-PRR Terre Haute-Crawfordsville Vandalia line, CSX ex-B&O Indianapolis-Decatur IL line
SAND CREEK – PC ex-PRR Terre Haute-Crawfordsville Vandalia line, PC ex-Central of Indiana line to Brazil
CLAY CITY – PC ex-EITH line Terre Haute-Elnora, L&N  ex-Monon branch to Wallace Jct
SLOAN – CR ex-NYC Egyptian Line, ICRR West Lebanon branch
BRAZIL – CR ex-PRR Panhandle St.Louis line, L&N ex-C&EI Otter Creek branch, B&O West Melcher branch, Central of Indiana
STEWART – CR ex-NYC Egyptian Line, C&EI Rossville branch,
FOWLERTON – CSX ex-C&O main, PRR Converse-Muncie branch
LOSANTVILLE – CSX ex-C&O main, CR ex-NYC Big Four Columbus OH line
RIDGEVILLE – CR ex-PRR Panhandle Columbus OH main, PC ex-PRR ex-GR&I line
WOLCOTTVILLE – NS ex-Wabash Toledo line, PC ex-PRR ex-GR&I line
AVILLA – old alignment of CSX ex-B&O main, PC ex-PRR ex-GR&I line
PINE (So. Bend) – NS ex-Wabash Toledo line, NS ex-NewJersey Illinois& Indiana line
NORTH LIBERTY – NS ex-Wabash Toledo line, CR ex-NYC Kankakee Belt line
CHILI – PRR Logansport-Butler line, Wabash ex-Peru & Detroit Peru-Chili line
DUBLIN – CR ex-PRR Panhandle Columbus OH main, PRR Rushville branch
ELIZABETHTOWN - PRR Madison branch, MILW ex-CTH&SE line
WESTPORT – MILW ex-CTH&SE line, NYC ex-Big Four Rushville-North Vernon branch
SALINE CITY – PRR Vandalia branch from Brazil, PC ex-EITH line from Terre Haute

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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2009, 08:45:32 AM »
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Decatur In North Centeral IN has a Ghost Jnt.  I think it was "D" tower N&W (e-w) crossing over the penn central ( my time known as ) n-s main   although I never saw any action.   The tower has since been torn down..   All that remains is the old radio tower.
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« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2009, 02:27:20 AM »
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Westville, In    Wabash and Monon  This one still has viaduct standing; the Wabash used to go over the Monon.  Never any intersecting as far as I can tell.
   
Union Mills , Kingsbury area   Pere Marquette and  Wabash

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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2009, 03:46:16 AM »
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Westville   Wabash crossing over Monon (viaduct still intact)
Kingsbury/Union Mills  Wabash and Pere Marquette
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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2009, 11:34:50 AM »
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Guys, please view the original list and make sure what you are posting hasn't already been posted.


Also, understand a ghost junction isn't a "over/under", its a physical crossing of 2 lines, both being removed!
One can not be in place, that doesn't make it a ghost junction, just a former junction.

I'll do my best here in a few days to clean up the list the best I can and get it consolidated (I let it slide here of late!)
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2009, 05:56:45 PM »
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How about Auburn where the NYC Ft Wayne branch and PRR Eel River line?
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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2009, 04:37:35 PM »
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NYC and Eel River crossed the B&O there at Auburn Jct, and I believe it was all part of the same plant.  The B&O is still in place, so its not a ghost junction.
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2009, 07:27:36 AM »
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So it's not just a physical crossing and the lines through it that have been taken up, but it's also a question of interlocking? 

Today it's common for multiple crossings to be controlled remotely from one location; thus part of a single plant.  Do all lines controlled by from that single location need to be taken up to qualify the diamonds as ghost junctions? 
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2009, 08:51:14 AM »
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So it's not just a physical crossing and the lines through it that have been taken up, but it's also a question of interlocking? 

From CIOR:
Also, understand a ghost junction isn't a "over/under", its a physical crossing of 2 lines, both being removed!
One can not be in place, that doesn't make it a ghost junction, just a former junction.

Auburn doesn't qualify since the B&O is still in place, and the former NYC and PRR lines were part of the Auburn Jct interlocking.  I don't believe their diamond was a seperate interlocking from the B&O's crossing of these two railroads.

Around that area, LaOtto would be an example of a ghost junction as the GR&I and Eel River are both gone.

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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2009, 10:51:16 AM »
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Auburn doesn't qualify since the B&O is still in place, and the former NYC and PRR lines were part of the Auburn Jct interlocking.  I don't believe their diamond was a seperate interlocking from the B&O's crossing of these two railroads.

Around that area, LaOtto would be an example of a ghost junction as the GR&I and Eel River are both gone.
It was all one big junction.  The NYC and PRR had a separate diamond from the crossing of the B&O.  That by itself would be a ghost junction.  However, since the B&O is still in place, it is not a ghost in the definition that has been used so far.  So it's a quasi-ghost junction.  A poltergeist perhaps?

North Judson would also fall into this category.
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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2009, 11:10:39 AM »
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I think by definition North Judson is a unique spot, as is Wellsboro and Lacrosse!

North Judson could be considered Ghost by the PRR and Erie, also the PRR and NYC...but the Erie and NYC happened inside the same physical plant as the C&O.

Wellsboro we don't need to discuss because it still has 2 of the original rails and physically the C&O/PM line is still there the diamonds just gone and connection built.

LaCrosse was a mess of diamonds, connections and interchanges.

The PM crossed the C&O and PRR to reach the CAS and Monon, the CAS never crossed any of the tenants there in the town, from what I've seen in paperwork on track ownership. 
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« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2009, 12:49:44 PM »
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HVRM has a pretty good track diagram of La Crosse from the 1930's.
http://hvrm.railfan.net/map/LaCrosseRRArea0001.pdf
 I never realized that the Pere Marquette interchanged with 4 other roads at La Crosse until I found this map.
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