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Re: ITM
« Reply #60 on: November 22, 2019, 04:19:52 PM »
What purpose would be served by restoring those EL MU cars for excursion service when the museum already has the Budd cars?

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« Reply #61 on: November 22, 2019, 05:17:26 PM »
What purpose would turning them into shred serve?   They are still here, and they could still be used.  All it takes is work, time, and money.  Once this old stuff is gone, it's gone.  They don't make it anymore. 

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« Reply #62 on: November 22, 2019, 10:24:15 PM »
Whatever happened to the B Unit?

Pretty sure that's still at Forest Park, awaiting purchase, or whaever else may lie ahead.

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« Reply #63 on: November 23, 2019, 01:17:47 AM »
ALL of their diesels got left behind in the 12th hour rush to move.  Those take a whole nother level of heavy hauling truck and cranes to move vs the Budds and other equipment that did get moved.  So, while they got their passenger train out, they are left with NO locomotive to pull it with.  Only rental power from IP, if that is even an option anymore.   72 was a kiss away from being operational on trains, 83, 426 and 200 were operational at or near the end of operations. 96 and the B unit needed work but were definatly worth saving.  96 still has her passenger gear ratio traction motors and pulled some named trains for the Milw Rd in her prime.  An ABA set of F units would have been something to see and I am sure was envisioned way back in the 1980s when they were bought.  I fear, unless the city gives them away, all the diesels that NPE/Noblesville doesnt want will see the flame wrench.  And that is a tragidity in itself.   The cost to move them to live rail is really more than they are worth sadly.  unless someone steps up with some donations and such.  Be nice to see 72, the B and the 96 go to a Milw Rd museum. 

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« Reply #64 on: November 23, 2019, 06:42:05 AM »
Be nice to see 72, the B and the 96 go to a Milw Rd museum.

Since the Milwaukee Road had rails here in Indiana, even another Indiana museum would be nice.

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« Reply #65 on: November 23, 2019, 12:07:44 PM »
Honestly old locos are pretty easy to find. Iíd locate one on live rails before bothering with the ones left in noblesville.
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« Reply #66 on: November 23, 2019, 01:21:55 PM »
What about using the Monon from Mitchell south through Orleans, Salem down to the end of the line for a Museum Line.

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« Reply #67 on: November 23, 2019, 01:25:11 PM »
Honestly old locos are pretty easy to find. Iíd locate one on live rails before bothering with the ones left in noblesville.
Could have bought one of the many ns or csx units that were up for auction earlier this year or any other year.  Thatís is if they had the money. 


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« Reply #68 on: November 23, 2019, 02:39:49 PM »
Salem to Mitchell or South makes way too much sense to ever happen, the Monon museum in Salem should be an endpoint!

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« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2019, 10:50:17 PM »
Interesting.  To my knowledge, Salem/Washington County have been and are unconcerned with any thing RR. Rail to trails talk came from the Mayor at New Albany at one time. So come on down, check with the guys at the reconstructed Monon Depot(Very Nice), find out who to go and cheerlead, and find a lottery winner or an investor who needs no ROI.

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« Reply #70 on: November 23, 2019, 11:30:33 PM »
Word on the street is the SLRG 101 that has been sitting behind Menards in Kokomo is going to be repossessed by the bank.
The gates are going down and the people are starting to frown.

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« Reply #71 on: November 24, 2019, 12:00:42 AM »
That wouldn't suprise me, just sitting there, along with the passenger coaches and the observation car.  Wonder if the bank would have them moved or auction them off where they sit and let the new owner deal with moving them to a new home.   Seem to be a decent engine and trainset for the runs that ITM did with it.  Should make someone a nice set up if it was kept together.  While there might be plenty of old engines, are there plenty of old F units out there?   FP7's or F7B units.   72 was just needing body work and painting back in 2011, the mechanical work had been mostly completed in relation to big doller items.  The lack of a way to take stuff out by rail is a real kicker in the whole thing.  Something that should have never been allowed to happen by the HHPA, but thats a whole nother argument not to be done here, nor can it really be corrected anyways, its in the past.     I wish I was the fly on the wall at these secret ITM meetings and knew what the he-- they are thinking in moving forward with NO locomotive, no real tracks to run on, no trust from most anybody in the railroad world and their primary passenger consist stored a long ways from the current home base in Logansport.   They must have something up their sleeve, or they have nothing and are in denial about it.  Time will tell.   Time to pop some more popcorn!!   

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« Reply #72 on: November 24, 2019, 12:33:28 AM »
A load of other IP equipment including Es, Fs, BL2s, GPs were recently posted on Ozarkmountainrailcar
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« Reply #73 on: November 24, 2019, 11:11:20 AM »
What purpose would turning them into shred serve?   They are still here, and they could still be used.  All it takes is work, time, and money.  Once this old stuff is gone, it's gone.  They don't make it anymore.

Unfortunately, you cant save everything, and trying to do so it what gets organization into trouble and you end up with a mess like ITM.  Sometime you have to just harvest what you can to use on others and cut the rest up, using the proceeds to save other salvageable equipment.  Here's one I was involved in a few years back - this car's sacrifice has served a couple operating PV's quite well.
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« Reply #74 on: November 24, 2019, 11:19:40 AM »
What purpose would turning them into shred serve?   They are still here, and they could still be used.  All it takes is work, time, and money.  Once this old stuff is gone, it's gone.  They don't make it anymore.

Can always build from the ground up.  Sometimes might be cheaper than restoring whatís left.  While they may never get it done, reference what the T1 group is doing.  Building from ground up.

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« Reply #75 on: November 24, 2019, 03:16:07 PM »
Coach 1185 has arrived safely in Logansport.

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« Reply #76 on: November 24, 2019, 03:18:58 PM »
Can always build from the ground up.  Sometimes might be cheaper than restoring whatís left.  While they may never get it done, reference what the T1 group is doing.  Building from ground up.
Well, according to the T1 trust website the acquisition of an original tender saved them almost 3 MILLION dollars.  "Design, construction, and fabrication of a new tender was estimated at $3 million"  versus $75,000 to restore the original tender that another group had the foresight to save even though there was no suitable locomotive in existence that even needed it.

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« Reply #77 on: November 24, 2019, 06:11:42 PM »
Well, according to the T1 trust website the acquisition of an original tender saved them almost 3 MILLION dollars.  "Design, construction, and fabrication of a new tender was estimated at $3 million"  versus $75,000 to restore the original tender that another group had the foresight to save even though there was no suitable locomotive in existence that even needed it.

Why would they have to design a new tender? PRR records destroyed or lost?

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« Reply #78 on: November 24, 2019, 07:57:18 PM »
He ment build it from the ground up CSX, including the 4 axle trucks those used.  Much cheaper to restore an exhisting tender that someone saved, vs building that massive streamed line thing on twin 4 axle trucks.   

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Re: ITM
« Reply #79 on: November 25, 2019, 08:56:32 PM »
Well, we've gone from ITM to the rebuilt T1.....

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