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Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« on: February 24, 2019, 05:37:40 AM »
CSX Crawfordsville Branch and CR 1000E in Hendricks County (MP 13.95). One fatality.

https://fox59.com/2019/02/24/one-dead-after-train-crash-in-brownsburg/

Train was 4:11 late into Indianapolis Union Station and appears to have been annulled there.

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2019, 08:02:45 AM »
Well, it doesn't look like they are annulled.  According to transitdocs.com, they left Union Station around 0630.  As of 0752, the website shows train 50 stopped on the big 4 over Washington street.  If true, they missed their turn onto the B&O. 

Now, the passengers may already be on busses; I have no knowledge on that.

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2019, 08:21:03 AM »
Screenshot showing Cardinal on Big 4.

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2019, 08:36:23 AM »
Some Dispatcher must have screwed up.

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2019, 08:45:01 AM »
Any updates as to where the train is?

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2019, 09:12:29 AM »
Amtrak's map shows it just east of Union Station.

Is this accident the reason 851 is still in Indy showing a service disruption?

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2019, 10:37:27 AM »
I can only speculate.

While it appears that 50 left the station, it hasn't been reported anywhere down the line in Connersville or Cincinnati. That might indicate that they put passengers on buses. The lead locomotive may have sustained some damage in the accident (what are the rules for operating a locomotive without functioning ditch lights?). The lead locomotive or the entire train may have been sent to Beech Grove.

As for 851, I can only assume that 50 was still in the station at 851's departure time, so 851's passengers were put on buses and that 851 never left the station. Heck, it may never have left Beech Grove given the possible juggling with 50.

Again, just speculation on my part.

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2019, 10:38:45 AM »
50 now showing EB just under 10 hours late

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2019, 10:56:03 AM »
OK, the word I hear is that 851 was annulled.  The engine for 851 was being turned for use on 50 when I noted it was on the big 4.  It was decided that the engine that came in on 50 had too much damage to continue safely.

The Cardinal departed about 0930. 

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2019, 12:56:17 PM »
It is currently showing near Cincinnati, operating 10 hours late.

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2019, 01:11:31 PM »
(what are the rules for operating a locomotive without functioning ditch lights?)

From the 2000 edition of the General Code of Operating Rules used by some railroads (your results may vary):

DISPLAYING DITCH LIGHTS

Display ditch lights, if equipped, to the front of the train when headlight is on bright.
Locomotives must not be operated as the lead unit out of a trainís initial terminal unless both ditch lights are operating. However, if no units are equipped with ditch lights, do not exceed 20 MPH over public crossings until occupied.

If one ditch light fails enroute, the train may proceed, but repairs must be made by the next daily inspection.
If two ditch lights fail enroute, the train may proceed, but not exceeding 20 MPH over public crossings until occupied, but must not travel beyond the first point where repairs may be made or until the next daily inspection, whichever occurs first.

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2019, 05:32:53 PM »
Ditch lights were not damaged.

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2019, 06:49:22 PM »
From the Photo on the News, It looks like the Driver went around a Crossing with Gates. This just goes to Show that it, "Does Not Matter If A Crossing has Gates or Not", Drivers will continue to go on Through the Crossings with Flashers or Crossings with Gates and Even Ones with a Cross Buck and Stop Sigh. The State needs to get Strict on Cities and Towns that Do Not Start Enforcing Grade Crossing Law IC 9-21-8-39. Look at the Car Train at Troy Ave on CSX that Q 206 Hit that went around Stopped Cars and the Flashers were activated. When is this going to Stop. This has been going on for way to long.

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2019, 08:42:57 AM »
From the Photo on the News, It looks like the Driver went around a Crossing with Gates. This just goes to Show that it, "Does Not Matter If A Crossing has Gates or Not", Drivers will continue to go on Through the Crossings with Flashers or Crossings with Gates and Even Ones with a Cross Buck and Stop Sigh. The State needs to get Strict on Cities and Towns that Do Not Start Enforcing Grade Crossing Law IC 9-21-8-39. Look at the Car Train at Troy Ave on CSX that Q 206 Hit that went around Stopped Cars and the Flashers were activated. When is this going to Stop. This has been going on for way to long.
Frustration is understandable.  From my own experience, when a police officer is able to witness a crossing violation they have pulled them over.  Iíve even watched them pace a train and catch people going around crossings ahead of a train.  However, they canít be at every crossing to catch all of them all of the time. 


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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2019, 09:50:55 AM »
Frustration is understandable.  From my own experience, when a police officer is able to witness a crossing violation they have pulled them over.  Iíve even watched them pace a train and catch people going around crossings ahead of a train.  However, they canít be at every crossing to catch all of them all of the time. 


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One of my favorite railfanning stories: Train stops short of crossing, we are about six cars back and the car behind us pulls out, passes everyone and goes around the gate. Behind him, a cop, on the other side of the crossing, a cop. Needless to say as soon as he gets pulled over the gates go up.

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2019, 02:13:52 PM »
Once in a while. The dispatcher will use #2 or #1 on the Indy Line for a station out and back move.

They might have moved the damaged engine up there to get it out of the way while they put 851's engine on the train.
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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2019, 02:40:41 PM »
At least it didn't have to go far for repairs...Ö.
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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2019, 03:29:35 PM »
At least it didn't have to go far for repairs...Ö.

They actually are taking it to Chicago for repairs. I have no idea why.

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2019, 03:41:54 PM »
From the Photo on the News, It looks like the Driver went around a Crossing with Gates. This just goes to Show that it, "Does Not Matter If A Crossing has Gates or Not", Drivers will continue to go on Through the Crossings with Flashers or Crossings with Gates and Even Ones with a Cross Buck and Stop Sigh. The State needs to get Strict on Cities and Towns that Do Not Start Enforcing Grade Crossing Law IC 9-21-8-39. Look at the Car Train at Troy Ave on CSX that Q 206 Hit that went around Stopped Cars and the Flashers were activated. When is this going to Stop. This has been going on for way to long.

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2019, 04:38:26 PM »
I assume the 9 hour delay was awaiting a relief crew?  Surely it didnít take that long for law enforcement to release the train...

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2019, 05:45:44 PM »
Outbound crew was already on duty. I'm guessing they could recrew the train. Probably took a while to get a crew to go to the Grove and bring an engine downtown and switch out the damaged unit. But 9 hrs? I'm guessing their was some freight interference involved too.
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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2019, 05:52:15 PM »
I thought that someone said that they had to turn the Locomotive so it could go East on the Cardinal. Also someone also stated that if the Ditch Lights were not Working, He had to Operate on Restricted Speed, I beleive 10 MPH to Union Station.

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2019, 06:13:10 PM »
It was reported earlier in the thread that the ditch lights weren't damaged. So the train could operate at track speed once released by the police and the coroner unless some restriction was imposed by CSX or Amtrak. The engine coming out of the Grove could be easily turned on the Belt on its way down to the station.
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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2019, 11:26:03 PM »
They had to cut the plow off the engine and get a replacement from Beech Grove. The damaged unit is now in the middle of 851 ready for departure tomorrow morning.

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2019, 07:12:51 AM »
From the Photo on the News, It looks like the Driver went around a Crossing with Gates. This just goes to Show that it, "Does Not Matter If A Crossing has Gates or Not", Drivers will continue to go on Through the Crossings with Flashers or Crossings with Gates and Even Ones with a Cross Buck and Stop Sigh. The State needs to get Strict on Cities and Towns that Do Not Start Enforcing Grade Crossing Law IC 9-21-8-39. Look at the Car Train at Troy Ave on CSX that Q 206 Hit that went around Stopped Cars and the Flashers were activated. When is this going to Stop. This has been going on for way to long.

In Indianapolis, we do enforce 9-21-8-39.  However, when a single officer has to work a beat the size of Delaware, there are other responsibilities that take precedence over traffic enforcement.  How exactly is the state going to get strict on municipalities regarding the grade crossing law????  Besides, no one from state/local government seems to care when the excessively long Louisville rack trains endanger public safety on a daily basis, specifically by blocking the all grade crossings along Mass Avenue for excessively long periods of time.  It happens every single day.  So, why would they care about 9-21-8-39??? 

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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2019, 08:42:01 AM »
In Indianapolis, we do enforce 9-21-8-39.  However, when a single officer has to work a beat the size of Delaware, there are other responsibilities that take precedence over traffic enforcement.  How exactly is the state going to get strict on municipalities regarding the grade crossing law????  Besides, no one from state/local government seems to care when the excessively long Louisville rack trains endanger public safety on a daily basis, specifically by blocking the all grade crossings along Mass Avenue for excessively long periods of time.  It happens every single day.  So, why would they care about 9-21-8-39???
  Surprised no one has mentioned it yet, but this seems like a perfect opportunity for the despised "red light cameras".  Sure, you can't charge the driver personally, since the driver of a car in question is almost always unidentifiable, but the camera offenses are handled like parking tickets, going to the registered owner of the vehicle.  If the owner wasn't driving it that day, he surely knows who was. The law takes the fine from the owner, and it's up to the owner to go after whoever he allowed to be driving his car...and be sure the fine is hefty!  If they can get upwards of $100 for a red light, then the sky's the limit, as far as I'm concerned, for crossing violations...MAYBE this would reduce incidents like the one that triggered this thread...
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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2019, 08:01:50 PM »
They had to cut the plow off the engine and get a replacement from Beech Grove. The damaged unit is now in the middle of 851 ready for departure tomorrow morning.


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Re: Amtrak P050 hit a car in Brownsburg 23-Feb-2019
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2019, 10:45:59 PM »
Just drove by beech grove tonight and saw a very damaged engine with broken glass wasnt sure if this was the one from the accident. I will get the engine number tomorrow.

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