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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2019, 11:59:29 PM »
I heard that too I will talk to a friend who works for airport police to find out if that true.  Yes I would put cabbies out of work if a train to downtown was available . Cleaner,faster , and gets cars of road to help traffic. Win , win if you ask me.

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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2019, 12:31:30 AM »
Rude sharing will put cabs out of business, barring government stepping in, long before light rail would.

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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2019, 06:40:33 AM »
Ralph, supposedly out there somewhere there is/was a train station built for possible future use. I'll be durned if I know where though
I've seen the plans for the Indianapolis Airport terminal building and I can't imagine where they might have planned for a train station to be. The adjacent parking garage, parts of which are also an enclosed building, might have been a possibility, but there's nothing there now for a train station. It's conceivable that a stub-ended station could be attached to the southwest end of the existing parking garage with elevated tracks running along the inbound side of Col. H. Weir Cook Memorial Drive.

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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2019, 07:33:03 AM »
When I toured the new terminal before it opened, the airport staff pointed out the strip of land between the terminal building and the parking structure that was designed as a right-of-way if a future rail line was ever created. I believe it's still maintained as open space ... it's the grassy area adjacent to the car rental area.

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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2019, 01:11:42 PM »
Always thought the old terminal area would have been perfect for an intermodal station, with a heavy rail terminal (higher speed) as well as light rail links from that corner of the airport property to the convention center.  There already was parking garage facilities which would have save construction costs for new ones.

There would have been no further need for the old downtown Amtrak station except as a stop on the light rail loop.

State feels otherwise, and gave the property to an outsourcing company whose foreign employees for the most part operate on visas, undercutting the salaries of US workers.

But perhaps there is still enough vacant land for transportation center developments under some future state administration.

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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2019, 01:31:57 PM »
Simply build a nice “station” building along existing line. Provide limited short term parking at station and connect to airport via long term parking shuttle busses.  Gives Amtrak passengers ample parking, and access to rental cars and airport amenities.  Establish that FIRST.  Can be done at reasonable cost and give Indy a better “intermodal” feel. IF that proves successful, THEN explore DMU or conventional rail shuttle service to Downtown.  Build from there.  A grandiose plan of building new tracks here and there and light rail to all corners of that map will never fly in this area.  Incremental improvements that people get used to makes smaller “hey, what if we extended service to X” a whole lot more palatable. 

But it’s all for naught if Hoosier is axed.  Right now the Hoosier shoulders some of the “fixed cost” burden of the route. Those cost will be soley on Cardinal now.  Be surprised if Cardinal survives another year in that case.
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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2019, 01:47:50 PM »

State feels otherwise, and gave the property to an outsourcing company whose foreign employees for the most part operate on visas, undercutting the salaries of US workers.

Where did you get that information? Infosys is a foreign-based company, but has a major presence in Indianapolis as well as scores of other sites around the world. What do you mean by outsourcing? I also don't think all of its employees are foreigners undercutting Americans. Some may be on the visa program, but the company is going to hire 3,000 workers. Also pretty sure the state/city didn't just "give" the site to Infosys. Incentives are involved for sure, but Infosys is certainly investing a lot of its own money.

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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2019, 01:56:02 PM »
Someone mentioned intermodal yard.  I know fed ex was really pushing for csx to build an intermodal yard but that obviously fell through.  I know they were even going to put their own money to help with the cost. 


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Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2019, 02:26:18 PM »
Did not want to name the company, but just google the name you mentioned and you will see they have a history elsewhere.
 
Visa fraud in particular.

Failure to hire anywhere near the numbers of local workers that were promised in order to get incentives.

US workers forced to train lower paid immigrant replacements, then the US workers laid off.

There is a scheduled rally against them in Hartford, Connecticut tonight, as reported in the Northwest Indiana Times.

Unless something different happens in Indiana that has not happened in other states?

But the point to be made is that Indiana's policy makers hardly lift a finger to support existing industries, such as railroads.

Are the relatively high paying existing jobs at Beech Grove, working as on-board crew, or Amtrak contractors, not equally as important as the pie-in-the sky new spots allegedly being created through these state and local government subsidies? 

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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2019, 02:26:35 PM »
Someone mentioned intermodal yard.  I know fed ex was really pushing for csx to build an intermodal yard but that obviously fell through.  I know they were even going to put their own money to help with the cost. 

First I’d heard if that.  From my observations, FedEX doesn’t have near the rail reliance as say UPS.

Indy is mostly the high priority “Express” stuff.  FedEX freight and ground has a presence, but with their facilities as close to interestares as they are, those trailers could be halfway to destination by the time they even get loaded on a rail car.

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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2019, 02:32:51 PM »
First I’d heard if that.  From my observations, FedEX doesn’t have near the rail reliance as say UPS.

Indy is mostly the high priority “Express” stuff.  FedEX freight and ground has a presence, but with their facilities as close to interestares as they are, those trailers could be halfway to destination by the time they even get loaded on a rail car.
A good friend of mine is responsible for getting truck and trailers in and out of Indy.  I don’t know his actual title but he was up here a few months ago for a meeting before the Christmas rush with people from Chicago, detroit, and other cities.  This topic came up and he was told by his boss that they were interested.  FedEx knows it loses a day in shipping when they use train vs truck except for the Denver route.  They are willing to ship by rail and lose a day on those routes because it saves them money and an extra day doesn’t hurt them


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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2019, 08:28:54 PM »
Rude sharing will put cabs out of business........
I don't know where the term"sharing" came from but there is no sharing going on.  Its a straight fee for services deal except the car is only being used part time for shuffling people around.  More of the typical internet hype. 
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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2019, 08:40:59 PM »
I don't know where the term"sharing" came from but there is no sharing going on.  Its a straight fee for services deal except the car is only being used part time for shuffling people around.  More of the typical internet hype.

I take it you have not heard of Uber Pool?

https://www.uber.com/ride/uberpool/

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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2019, 09:16:07 PM »
I don't take a taxi much anymore, but the few times I have in the last 30 years, I have been "Ride Sharing" the trip... the taxi comes to get me and there is already someone in it and we all then go pick up a third person and we all ride to one of our destinations, one gets out and then we go get someone else and go to another destination, etc. etc. etc.  and each pays for the ride from when they got in until they get out.  The only "Sharing" is being in the same vehicle at the same time... there is no sharing of the cost!
 
I have never figured out the reasoning for a law being passed to prohibit rail travel in Indy.  That has always sounded like someone involved in making that law was on the take from someone that was gonna make money selling cars or other (more expensive) means of people moving.
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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2019, 08:25:21 AM »
As a lifelong Hoosier, I know what the problem is and it's called "lack of vision".  We have lacked leadership on a state level to ever look ahead and see the the opportunities that are right in front of our noses.  Whether its's commuter rail or anything else, we consistently fail to capitalize on our potential.  Case in point, the PRR ROW from Terre Haute to Richmond.  Instead of seeing the opportunity to create a "Linear State Park" as Michigan has done and then charge user fees, we bumble along and let a lack of vision by the state government and the NIMBY's kill any potential development.  Instead of anything that would draw tourist dollars to the state and local coffers, we have short segments that are useful for dogwalkers and runners and nothing else.  I live in Greenfield and run the Pennsy trail three or four times a week and listen to people gripe about the fact that it didn't bring in any revenue to the county and city.  These fools are the same ones who fight tooth and nail to keep from connecting it to the Indy and Knightstown segments!   No one is going to drive to Greenfield to ride a 5.5 mile trail and they can't figure this out.  We are surrounded by states (except for KY) that are way ahead of us in utilizing abandoned rail corridors and supporting passenger rail.  When the railroads left Xenia OH, the city fathers and the state recognized the potential for tourism dollars and went to work.  There are now over 175 miles of rail trails emanating from Xenia to the surrounding communities and people spend big bucks travel there and enjoy them.  Think of the revenue produced in Ohio, Michigan, Illinois and Wisconsin in tourist dollars for the local economy and ask yourself what are we thinking! This is the same mentality that doesn't support rail travel anywhere in Indiana.  The state government doesn't want to support Chicago service and refused to contribute to increasing service along the lakefront from Milwaukee to Detroit.  We were the only state that refused.   

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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2019, 08:36:23 PM »
I have never figured out the reasoning for a law being passed to prohibit rail travel in Indy.  That has always sounded like someone involved in making that law was on the take from someone that was gonna make money selling cars or other (more expensive) means of people moving.
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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2019, 10:31:23 AM »
Update: the bill passed out of the House Roads and Transportation Committee and now heads to the full House for consideration.

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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2019, 02:22:06 PM »
We had the Old P&E Line from Union Station to 30th Street. That would have been a good line to expand North. Where the Monon Trail is today, Indianapolis could have used that line along with the Nickel Plate Line for Lite Rail. Look at the Cities and Towns that could have been served. But instead they Chose a Path, That Makes No Money. And Look at who has to Pay for it, Tax Payers that Do Not Use It. Total Stupidity on the Cities Part.

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« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2019, 02:30:43 PM »
...And Look at who has to Pay for it, Tax Payers that Do Not Use It. Total Stupidity on the Cities Part.

And, light rail wouldn’t be any different for the people that don’t live along those lines you listed?

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Re: Bill filed to reverse ban on Indy light rail
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2019, 05:43:50 PM »
When the new airport terminal was being designed and built, there were many news stories about how a future rail terminal was part of the design. Once it was built, it was never mentioned again. I have no idea where in the new terminal the the rail station was supposed to be. If space was built into the terminal, it probably is being used for something else now.

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As big as a convention host as we are..it blows me away that light rail was not put in from downtown to the airport at least.  We're twenty years behind other big cities!!