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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #240 on: December 03, 2018, 01:50:12 PM »
So, why couldn't the Nickel Plate Express use a F 40ph on the Other End of the Passenger Train instead of the 45 Tonner? When the Amtrak F 40ph's was used on those type of Cars for years until the Newer Locomotives started replacing them.

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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #241 on: December 03, 2018, 08:45:44 PM »
So, why couldn't the Nickel Plate Express use a F 40ph on the Other End of the Passenger Train instead of the 45 Tonner? When the Amtrak F 40ph's was used on those type of Cars for years until the Newer Locomotives started replacing them.

If you find an Amtrak F40 for sale, let them know.  Didn’t most of them meet the torch, if not converted to cabbages?

Give them the money for it, and I’m sure they’d do it for you too.

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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #242 on: December 03, 2018, 10:14:12 PM »
Forget the F40PH its a FUEL HOG.

The unit providing HEP burns a whopping 174GPH. That is Gallons per HOUR.

Now this is a funky thing on an F40PH in HEP mode. As the load changes depending on the HEP load and the traction load. So maybe a little more or less.
(its not like a GP40 in Run 8 under load, as the load in that case is pretty much the same each time)

An F9 uses 124 gallons an hour in Run 8, and they wont be anywhere near that. Figure 50 to 30 gallons an hour.
The HEP pony motors are pretty efficient too. 10 to 20 depending on the type per hour.

So. While your HOG blows thru the fuel budget in mere days, WHERE is this money coming from? Mind you this hog ONLY comes with a 1800 gallon tank. That means more fuel truck trips.

Scrap? What is the average price per gallon of trucked in off road diesel now?

(And yes the thing is LOUD AS FECK, in Hep mode)

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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #243 on: December 03, 2018, 10:36:35 PM »
Just heard on the Radio FM 105.7 that the Nickle Plate Express is sponsoring the Christmas Music. Lots of Old Songs on there.

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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #244 on: December 03, 2018, 10:48:49 PM »
So another F 7 or F 9 would be better then. Lot less Fuel usage. Did not know the F40PH used so much fuel. So that is why Amtrak converted some and is selling off the others. What about a Cabbage Unit then? Wouldn't that be Traction Motors only on it. No Power Plant.

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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #245 on: December 03, 2018, 10:58:48 PM »
A cabbage would work assuming the cars and box car were wired for MU
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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #246 on: December 04, 2018, 12:40:22 AM »
What was normal operating procedure at ITM in the winter months. Thanks

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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #247 on: December 04, 2018, 07:22:55 AM »

Scrap? What is the average price per gallon of trucked in off road diesel now?

Been pretty steady between $2.48 and $2.55 delivered in locomotive tank over past several months.   As for a "cabbage", none of those on Amtrak's current Fire Sale and you simply don't see those on the market.   Used locomotives range from $60K range to $350K or more depending on what you are after.  What they need is a SD45-2.  Could even have a nice historical one - one that was factory rebuilt for the EL after wreck with a SD40 style long hood.  ;D

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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #248 on: December 04, 2018, 10:54:42 AM »
So 4500 bucks to fill the tank on a F40PH. (Assuming there isn't a delivery charge or something tacked on)

1800 gals at 178 GPH gets you 10 hours of operation.

And yes even under Amtrak, the small fuel tanks of the F40PH were a constant headache. The F40PH wasn't really designed to be the cross country engine. That was the SDP40F. Most of the long distance trains had a couple fuel stops on the route, particularly the western trains.

And that heavy SD45-2 would be a nightmare to truck in. Go find my pics of the six axle electric being moved. It would be cheaper to erect temporary panel track to move it most likely.
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« Reply #249 on: December 04, 2018, 04:05:47 PM »
Amtrak just took sale bids on a batch of 8 of their held back F40's, five stored in Delaware, but three at Beech Grove if memory serves.
Assume they knew about it, but if not, might outta check and see if any went un-sold or could be re-sold from the high bidder.
The derelict P40's in the Beech Grove storage line also were offered for sale.

Have not heard any reports on who got what, or what, if anything, remains available.

There is another sale bid closing at the first of January, mostly for more derelict cars parked in the back lot at Beech Grove (former sleepers that had been converted to crew cars).
Real nice Superliners cast off from the Heartland Flyer that might not need much.

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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #250 on: December 04, 2018, 04:41:28 PM »
HAH you mean they actually are clearing that order off the books?

EMD order 877008 has been an enigma. These are the last F40PH ordered. 1987. Units 401 to 409.

I don't know the details, but they were ether offered as collateral for something, or had a stupidly long lease on them. But they have had those parked. since the early 2000s.

One of them became the HEP cab car for the tour train (406). That is why there is only 8 offered for sale. Many of the units had a full refurb, or refurb that was in progress when they were parked.
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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #251 on: December 04, 2018, 04:53:58 PM »
My understanding is most of the power offered on phase 1 sale was junk and went to scrap - I know the P40/42 (and pretty sure the F40s at Grove) could not be moved on own wheels.  Phase 2 sale going on now - nicer stuff this time including lots of diners. No power.  May have more power next sale.   But again, NKP Heritage does NOT need a HEP equipped loco

Amtrak® - Request for Bid
     SALE OFFER 2019-29

Sale of Surplus Rolling Stock Equipment Rail Cars

Description:  Amtrak is soliciting bids for various decommissioned inactive fleet cars.


LINE #1 - Heritage Baggage Cars – Weight 117,000 lbs. each      

CAR #      DESCRIPTION         LOCATION         BID PRICE:
   
#1126      1962 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1127      1946 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1132      1957 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1135      1957 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1160      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________   
#1161      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1162      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1163      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1164      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1165      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1171      1948 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1172      1948 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1203      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1204      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1208      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1210      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1211      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1212      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1213      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1215      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1221      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1223      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1226      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1229      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1230      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1234      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1235      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1236      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1239      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1241      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1242      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1244      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1245      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1246      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1247      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1248      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1249      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1250      1955 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1251      1955 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1252      1955 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1255      1955 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1257      1955 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1258      1955 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1261      1955 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1264      1955 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1265      1955 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1267      1955 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1269      1955 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1272      1955 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1855      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#1857      1953 Heritage Baggage Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________


LINE #2 – Heritage Crew Dorm Car - Weight 130,000 lbs. each

#2500      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#2501      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#2503      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#2505      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Washington, DC         _________
#2506      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#2507      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#2510      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#2511      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#2512      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#2513      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#2514      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#2515      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#2516      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#2517      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#2518      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#2519      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#2523      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#2524      1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car   Beech Grove, IN         _________


LINE #3 – Heritage Diner Car - Weight 154,500 lbs. each

#8502      1952 Heritage Diner Car      Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8504      1948 Heritage Diner Car      Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8507      1958 Heritage Diner Car      Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8509      1958 Heritage Diner Car      Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8510      1948 Heritage Diner Car      Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8511      1948 Heritage Diner Car      Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8512      1948 Heritage Diner Car      Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8521      1949 Heritage Diner Car      Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8524      1949 Heritage Diner Car      Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8527      1950 Heritage Diner Car      Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8528      1950 Heritage Diner Car      Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8532      1956 Heritage Diner Car      Beech Grove, IN         _________





LINE #4 – Heritage Diner Grill - Weight 153,000 lbs. each


#8550      1958 Heritage Diner Grill   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8551      1949 Heritage Diner Grill   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8552      1958 Heritage Diner Grill   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8553      1948 Heritage Diner Grill   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8554      1948 Heritage Diner Grill   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8558      1949 Heritage Diner Grill   Beech Grove, IN         _________
#8559      1950 Heritage Diner Grill   Beech Grove, IN         _________


LINE #5 – Heritage SF High Level Coach - Weight 160,000 lbs. each

CAR #      DESCRIPTION            LOCATION      BID PRICE:
         
#39940      1956 Heritage SF High Level Coach   Beech Grove, IN    _________
#39952      1956 Heritage SF High Level Coach   Beech Grove, IN    _________
#39953      1956 Heritage SF High Level Coach   Beech Grove, IN    _________
#39957      1956 Heritage SF High Level Coach   Beech Grove, IN    _________

LINE #6 – Refrigeration Express Car - Weight 160,000 lbs. each

CAR #      DESCRIPTION            LOCATION      BID PRICE:
         
#74003      1970 Refrigeration Express Car      Los Angeles, CA      _________
#74011      1970 Refrigeration Express Car      Los Angeles, CA      _________
#74014      1970 Refrigeration Express Car      Los Angeles, CA      _________
#74022      1970 Refrigeration Express Car      Los Angeles, CA      _________
#74029      1970 Refrigeration Express Car      Los Angeles, CA      _________
#74062      1970 Refrigeration Express Car      Los Angeles, CA      _________
#74095      1970 Refrigeration Express Car      Los Angeles, CA      _________

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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #252 on: December 08, 2018, 11:50:41 AM »
What they need is a SD45-2.  Could even have a nice historical one - one that was factory rebuilt for the EL after wreck with a SD40 style long hood.  ;D
I think this was the one that was rebuilt from an SDP45, former EL 3657. You can tell by the standard EMD fuel tank instead of the one used on the EL's SD45-2s.
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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #253 on: December 08, 2018, 01:10:00 PM »
Tom might just make a Bid on those 4 SF Superliners. Those would fit right in with the other Superliners that the NPE has up there..

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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #254 on: May 02, 2019, 08:27:06 AM »
Looks like another passenger car heading up towards Anderson for the CIW.  I assume it’s going to the Nickel Plate Express.  RPCX 1567. Looks like it was coming from CMPA.

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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #255 on: May 02, 2019, 10:42:50 AM »
Looks like another passenger car heading up towards Anderson for the CIW.  I assume it’s going to the Nickel Plate Express.  RPCX 1567. Looks like it was coming from CMPA.
Yes , it is coming from the CMPA it was picked up Tuesday at North Vernon.  It had been  at North Vernon for about a month waiting for interchange.
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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #256 on: July 09, 2019, 04:38:58 PM »
From elsewhere:  Noblesville leased the 83 to the NKPE people for shuttle power out of Forest Park, and stand in power for their units.





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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #257 on: July 14, 2019, 02:40:58 PM »
Well, I guess in a good way, 83 was saved by going to the Nickel Plate Express. Too bad about all the OTHER stuff that isn't/couldn't/won't be saved from ITM'S 'archive collection' (more aptly named, everything-on-paper pile).

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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #258 on: July 14, 2019, 07:36:33 PM »
Thought we heard that the ITM was going up to the Logansport & Eel River Railroad and Start operations up there? What happened with that. And are they Operating down at Santa Claus Indiana as well?

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Re: HHPA, NP Heritage sign agreement
« Reply #259 on: July 14, 2019, 08:38:48 PM »
We (ITM) are. Just taking time to get things sorted. We have some plans for late summer, but nothing has been solidified, yet.
20 down. Time taken to complete: 4 3/4 years.