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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #80 on: January 21, 2018, 12:30:52 AM »
Well I remember that the CSX track was still down across the diamond to across from the GM plant. You can see it in the 2013 google overhead. Sure the MON/MILW switch was removed and the crossings paved over, but the rails were for the most part down. But in the newer ones, all the rails are gone. No idea who pulled them. But it's still unauthorized abandonment.
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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #81 on: January 21, 2018, 08:54:11 AM »
INRD did.  That rail was used to construct the Martin siding south of Springhill.

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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #82 on: January 21, 2018, 07:29:06 PM »
So on paper CSX is still there, north of the diamond to a point where it would provide access to the GM site??  Would that be how INRD was allowed  to bail even though they were the last one to provide service to GM via the east side of their loop??

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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #83 on: January 21, 2018, 11:58:46 PM »
Well all the ex INRD trackage east of Lincoiln Avenue was abandoned in 2011 and the track and ROW sold to Bedford.

So the fact that sometime between 2013 and 2016 the INRD came back into town, and ether
A, Helped themselves to the Monon rail north of the switch.
B, Got it after CSXT told them to go get it.

Man, you can't make this crap up. Scrap, sorry, but this is quickly becoming a sordid soap opera.

The monkey wrench is with the Goverment shut down. No filings or STB work will be getting done. (outside of an STB wreck investigation should one be needed)
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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #84 on: January 22, 2018, 07:15:46 AM »
Tell me why ANY of this matters though.  I can't see a scenario where Bedford EVER gets rail service again, so other than as a mental exercise, why do we care who did what when?

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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #85 on: January 22, 2018, 08:31:00 AM »
Well the FEDs do care of someone removes a line like this, no matter how far gone, and how unlikely the chances of reactivation.
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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #86 on: January 22, 2018, 08:50:33 AM »
Do you think they care enough to make somebody put something back in, even though it would be useless?  I have to wonder if the whole situation is so murky and convoluted that the people out in the trenches don't even understand it, leading to mistakes being made.
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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #87 on: January 22, 2018, 10:14:53 AM »
Do you think they care enough to make somebody put something back in, even though it would be useless?  I have to wonder if the whole situation is so murky and convoluted that the people out in the trenches don't even understand it, leading mistakes being made.

Well no, but it could lead to a fine or jeopardize the current abandonment.
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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #88 on: January 22, 2018, 10:38:46 AM »
When was the discontinuation of service filed?

Just because you pull the rails, doesnít mean itís abandoned in the truest sense of the word.  Abandonment is just as much for the property, as it is for the physical track. 

Another question: does abandonment apply to main lines or to auxiliary and main track too?  Surely the railroads donít have to file every time an industry pulls a switch, or wants to pull a spur for whatever reason.

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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #89 on: January 22, 2018, 11:31:44 AM »
When was the discontinuation of service filed?

Full case file seems to be here: https://www.stb.gov/home.nsf/case?openform&caseID=30207&caseDocket=AB_295_7_X

Rather long and lots of docs to comb though but it does seem the belt and switch from MILW to Monon was sold to the city of Bedford.

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« Reply #90 on: January 23, 2018, 04:40:04 PM »
Strange, CSX still owns a parcel on the ex Monon NORTH of Bedford.

If CSX wants to shed stuff. Maybe they need to clean up some of these screwball parcells they still own.

Owner Name
Chicago Indianapolis & Louisville
Owner Address
500 Water St Jacksonville, Fl 32202
Parcel Number
47-03-34-300-009.000-006
Alt Parcel Number
05 009150 00 P34
Property Address
Peerless Rd, Bedford, In 47421
Property Class Code
840
Property Class
Railroad Company, Comm Locally Assessed
Neighborhood
Marshall #1, 9501-006
Legal Description
Sec 34 Twp 6 R1w; 3.65A Cent Pt Sw

You think that CSX sell these parcels off the books.
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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #91 on: January 23, 2018, 05:14:24 PM »
I believe there are a few in New Albany. And as I understand something like, no longer a railroad, then property taxes begin to be collected??

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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #92 on: January 23, 2018, 05:28:23 PM »
If CSX wants to shed stuff. Maybe they need to clean up some of these screwball parcells they still own.

I visit county GIS sites regularly when doing research to develop models in Trainz.  It's amazing how much property the railroads still own.

Plus, I find some wierd stuff sometimes, too.  Recently, saw that the City of Noblesville owns many of the abandoned Central Indiana parcels in Westfield.

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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #93 on: January 23, 2018, 07:39:05 PM »
It's amazing how many little oddball parcels railroads own - long after the line in question has been abandoned. I just did a quick check of what Norfolk Southern owns in Henry Co Ohio from the old Cloverleaf right of way - and in total, they still own over 100 acres, even though the line was abandoned over 40 years ago!

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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #94 on: January 23, 2018, 07:52:06 PM »
Land is a investment, and it being devoid if tracks isn't a bad thing in their eyes.

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« Reply #95 on: January 24, 2018, 08:15:27 PM »
Seems to be some parcels which went to a sheriff's sale when the railroad didn't know/ failed to start paying tax. Yes, NS has/had many parcels for a Duncan Tunnel bypass and a radio/micro tower to name a few.

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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #96 on: January 24, 2018, 10:17:11 PM »
Until a few years ago there were some parcels of land along the old EL row in Fulton Co that still belonged to the estate!!!!

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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #97 on: January 25, 2018, 12:33:30 PM »
Looks like CSX doesn't want anyone else to use the line...

https://www.stb.gov/FILINGS/all.nsf/c72552abc289f85285257515007219bd/6CD85E6180ED657C85258220004F52C1/$file/245054.pdf

https://www.stb.gov/FILINGS/all.nsf/c72552abc289f85285257515007219bd/1ED474D9D33521C58525822000564658/$file/245057.pdf

They're trying get the OFAs from both Frontier and Indianapolis Metropolitan rejected.

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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #98 on: January 25, 2018, 12:42:10 PM »
Making them follow the rule of Law.

Both parties come back with financials and then proceeding continues.

Frontier already in the railroad business shouldnít be hard for them to prove they have the knowledge and money to buy and keep up the line.  Also helps they only wanted part of it.

Indy Metro Rail will probably have a tougher go.  Donít think they currently have any properties to their name, and the amount of money needed to buy and get the line back in service will be very high.  Maybe they have some deep pocket investors?

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Re: MONON ABANDONMENT
« Reply #99 on: January 27, 2018, 12:58:18 PM »
As anticipated, STB denied CSXT motion to reject and ordered Frontier and Metro Indy to file additional information by 2/5.  CSXT's motion and STB's denial where basically fore gone conclusion before the original OFAs where filed.  It's all part of the regulatory dance.  Keep watching for more filings.