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Whitewater Valley RR
« on: May 16, 2014, 07:02:21 AM »
With all the rail buffs here it would be nice if those associated with the WWVRR would let us know what is up with the line, updates and such. Anyone?

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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2014, 05:27:35 PM »
Thomas will be coming to Connersville from June 20, to 29. ;D

You could always go to whitewatervalleyrr.org and click "excursions" to find out about upcoming events. As far as maintenance, restorations, and such, you'll have to wait for others to chime in.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2014, 09:15:56 PM »
Not a lot really new lately.  New shop building last year enabling a lot of work on equipment, most of our wood cabooses have been resided and repainted, weekend trips to Metamora resumed May 1, Thomas the Tank will be here in June as he said, and Polar Express will be back in November with tickets on sale now.  The Friday night Trains to Dinner have been suspended due to closure of the restaurant.  Options for this are being explored.

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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2014, 09:04:22 AM »
ANY chance of ever seeing steam on this line again?

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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2014, 10:07:53 PM »
Wow, the restaurant in Laurel closed? Too bad, I wanted to try that out but glad to hear about the new shop building. Is it connected to the engine servicing building?

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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2014, 12:51:16 AM »
ANY chance of ever seeing steam on this line again?
As far as I know, they sometimes have a smaller engine trucked in (Flagg Coal Company, etc.)

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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2014, 06:34:38 AM »
As far as I know, they sometimes have a smaller engine trucked in (Flagg Coal Company, etc.)

That would be correct. They had one there two years ago.

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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2014, 01:03:45 PM »
When did the Restaurant in Laural Close. When we were on the Caboose Train, I don't recall hearing that they were going to Close. They had Good Food, and the Prices were good too.

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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2014, 02:04:12 PM »
Not to change the subject, but from pictures, I know the Penn Central was still servicing customers on that line until or nearly until the line was turned over to the WWVR.  Who was the customer(s)?  Did they serve the customer that still is in Brookville?  Was the line served from both ends?

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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2014, 02:59:08 PM »
A Connersville/Valley Jct turn ran until  late in Penn Central days - that job's primary mission was to move product out of Ford Phillco in Connersville.  It also served Lloyd Fry Roofing (now Owens Corning) at Brookville.   After selling Connersville to Metamora,  PC (and later CR) maintained an isolated operation at Connersville switching Ford and using N&W to bridge the cars to New Castle for them which lasted until Indiana High Rail leased the N&W line and purchased the CR operation.   The original Indiana and Ohio Railroad (INOH) purchased Brookville to Valley Jct I believe somewhere around Conrail day or shortly thereafter.  Today, only piece of this line that is missing is the 3 or 4 miles from end of WWVR east of Metamora to end of IORY at Owens Corning in Brookville
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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2014, 08:56:58 PM »
Was the 3 or 4 missing miles taken out due to washouts?  It is an amazing scenic area down there, but I know the Whitewater can be a powerful river when flooded.

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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2014, 10:01:10 PM »
The Laurel Hotel Restaurant closed sometime in the past several weeks after the owner fell and broke her ankle.  I heard it is a serious break and may take longer than usual 6 weeks to heal.  The restaurant has been for sale for a year or more so it is not a given that it will reopen when she can come back.

PC had a derailment a mile north of Metamora in late 1972 and they chose to end operations north of Brookville at that time rather than repair the track.  When the Whitewater leased the line in 1973, they had to repair the damage before they could make their first runs in the fall of 1973.  The Whitewater operated from Connersville to Brookville for the 1974 season with the washout occurring 2 1/2 miles south of Metamora in the spring of 1975 and 7 miles of track was removed from 2 miles south of Metamora to Brookville.  The washout came from excessive water running into the canal which then overflowed over and through the ROW, not from the river itself.  This still occurs from time to time to a lesser extent.  I heard that in 1975 it would have taken $500,000 to repair the damage.

I think the roofing company is the only reason I&O operates the line to Brookville.

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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2014, 07:39:08 AM »
Was there ever any online business at places like Laurel, say post WWII?

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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2014, 01:20:52 PM »
Not that I am aware of. 

But I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't something using the RR 70 years ago.  There is an old siding there and there was a sawmill until recently.  I expect there might have been a grain elevator in the past.

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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2014, 08:32:06 AM »
Today, only piece of this line that is missing is the 3 or 4 miles from end of WWVR east of Metamora to end of IORY at Owens Corning in Brookville

Your forgetting one part. Albeit not an important part. Just north of Connersville, there's a place called Beesons where the NKP from New Castle to Connersville and the line in question connect. As many know, NKP used to have their own route into Connersville but some do not know that the Big Four used to continue north of here. It went to Milton, then Cambridge City, and then NE to Hagerstown where it (and the whitewater canal) ended. I think I heard somewhere that the predecessor to Big Four (also called the Whitewater Valley Railroad) used to take a single passenger car up this portion, where they handed it off to a predecessor of the PRR (now the NS New Castle District).

Not that I am aware of. 

But I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't something using the RR 70 years ago.  There is an old siding there and there was a sawmill until recently.  I expect there might have been a grain elevator in the past.

I thought I heard somewhere that there was a turntable at Laurel a LONG time ago but I could be mistaken.
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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2014, 01:54:41 PM »
What is the Chances of the Whitewater Valley putting  the Last 3-4 Miles of Track back in? That would make for a Longer Run on the Caboose Trains as well as for the Passenger Trains. Would give Folks a chance to see a Part of the Line that has never been seen before..

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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2014, 02:38:08 PM »
You have the money? If I recall, the section that is out is prone to washouts due to the close proximity of the Whitewater River. 


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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2014, 03:05:12 PM »
I THINK there are 3 signigficant chunks of the right of way gone, fist one being a half mile or so from current end of WWVR track.  Beleive that was first washout and is why the WWVR currently ends where it does.  Several posts back Howard says it was esatiamted to cost $500,000 to repair that washout in 1975.  That's nearly $2.3 million in today's money.  In the nearly 4 decades since line's removal, I believe there is another large section near Franklin County Landfill that is missing, and another just outside of Brookville. 

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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2014, 08:34:45 PM »
I'm told all the track from the end of the Whitewater Valley track 2 miles south of Metamora to Brookville was removed after the washout, not just those segments. 

Ownership of the ROW apparently reverted to the landowners after the rail removal.  A local group has built a trail on the ROW, but cannot get access to parts of it so the trail is not continuous.  It would likely take real big money to buy out those landowners to relay the rail.

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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2014, 08:40:02 PM »
I believe that they are not talking about gaps in the rail.
The whole ROW has been washed out in several locations.

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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2014, 09:59:53 PM »
I believe that they are not talking about gaps in the rail.
The whole ROW has been washed out in several locations.

   Rog :D

Correct, all the track is gone - I was talking about sections where the right of way flat out no longer exists due to the West Fork of the Whitewater River. 
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2014, 08:46:13 PM »
As well as having wash outs the segment near Yellow Bank/Boundry Hill is very unstable. If you doubt this take a look at U.S. 52 in that area where the highway engineers have been trying, and failing to stabilize the roadbed for 70 years.
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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2014, 11:00:58 PM »
According the book, the section of track North of Brookville was removed by PC even though WVRR was paying to lease it.  The WVRR had to physically stand in the way to stop them.
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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2015, 12:12:25 AM »
The book the last post was talking about is this one. http://www.amazon.com/Whitewater-Valley-Railroad-Images-Rail/dp/1467111481
What an amazing book!

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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2015, 10:06:48 AM »
Here is a little update from the WVRR:

The Laurel Hotel reopened in September 2014 and the Twilight Limited Train to Dinner is rolling again on the 1st & 3rd Fridays May - October.

The new shop building has one working track and crews are working to install the second track. The inspection pit has been installed waiting for the second track.

There are approximately six miles of railroad missing between WVRR end of track and I&O end of track in Brookville. There has been many attempts to build a trail on this segment with very little success. The trail is currently in segments and there are land disputes about various other sections of the route. No plans on installing any track at this point.

The WVRR celebrated 40 years of train service during the 2014 season. The railroad was formed in late 1972 and began regular train operations in 1974.

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Tickets and information are available online at www.whitewatervalleyrr.org/excursions or by calling us at 765-825-2054.

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« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2015, 08:23:47 AM »
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More information and tickets are available at www.whitewatervalleyrr.org/excursions or by calling us at the station at 765-825-2054.

Celebrating Over 42 Years of Operations, The Whitewater Valley Railroad is an operating railroad museum dedicated to the preservation of a historic branch line railroad, to the restoration of railroad equipment, and to the conduct of educational railroad programs. The WVRR is operated by trained volunteers.

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« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2015, 08:55:23 PM »
You guys managed to beat French Lick, West Baden, & Southern?! They have a dang tunnel! LOL But that's awesome! I actually feel you guys deserve it (although I haven't actually been down to French Lick) because of all the canal biz.
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« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2015, 10:01:41 PM »
I bought my tickets for tomorrow morning's fall foliage excursion...It'll be my first time at WWVRR, or in Connersville for that matter.

Any railroad-worthy sights to see along the way there? I'll probably take 52 to Rushville then 44 to Connersville.
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« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2015, 12:19:37 AM »
"I'll probably take 52 to Rushville then 44 to Connersville."

You will be following the CSX(B&O) Indy Sub into town. Bunge outside Morristown has a 400 car stub yard in the plant with 2 remote switchers. One is a GenSet and the other is an older EMD. Older EMD also at the Downtown Bunge elevator in Morristown. Older EMD also at Bunge Rushville elevator just north of Rushville on the old NKP.

CSX has a Grain Train to pull at Mauzey. Power was in Connersville tonight for the train. Could be called at anytime. It has to run west to Rushville to run the power around the train once it is built in order to take it east to Cincy.

The Connersville Local only made it to Bunge outside Morristown this evening. Power is tied down on the Bunge Wye.
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« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2015, 06:54:56 PM »
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Take a ride on the Whitewater Valley Railroad to the historic canal town of Metamora, IN. Ride on historic canal boats and see what this hidden gem has to offer.

More information and tickets are available at www.whitewatervalleyrr.org/excursions or by calling us at the station at 765-825-2054.

Celebrating Over 42 Years of Operations, The Whitewater Valley Railroad is an operating railroad museum dedicated to the preservation of a historic branch line railroad, to the restoration of railroad equipment, and to the conduct of educational railroad programs. The WVRR is operated by trained volunteers.

Filmed in May 2010
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« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2015, 09:06:47 PM »
"I'll probably take 52 to Rushville then 44 to Connersville."

You will be following the CSX(B&O) Indy Sub into town. Bunge outside Morristown has a 400 car stub yard in the plant with 2 remote switchers. One is a GenSet and the other is an older EMD. Older EMD also at the Downtown Bunge elevator in Morristown. Older EMD also at Bunge Rushville elevator just north of Rushville on the old NKP.

CSX has a Grain Train to pull at Mauzey. Power was in Connersville tonight for the train. Could be called at anytime. It has to run west to Rushville to run the power around the train once it is built in order to take it east to Cincy.

The Connersville Local only made it to Bunge outside Morristown this evening. Power is tied down on the Bunge Wye.

Great information. Is this the grain train at Mauzey you were talking about? (attached pic)

Had a fun time on the train today. Was a beautiful day to ride the rails. I left my name and contact info with the girl at the gift shop as for volunteer opportunities.

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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2015, 07:53:09 AM »
Glad you had a great time and yes that is the grain train I was talking about.
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« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2015, 05:23:42 PM »
RailfanJ-RO25, there was a turntable on the north end of Laurel, it is shown on the original railroad atlas.
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« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2015, 08:27:57 AM »
Thanks to everyone who made our 2015 Summer Season such a success. For the next two weeks the WVRR takes a break from passenger operations as we prepare for the 2015 Holiday Season. The POLAR EXPRESS Train Ride begins on November 20th and runs through December 20th. The Santa Claus Limited operates for the 42nd year on Saturday November 28th and The Metamora Holiday Specials to Metamora begin on Friday November 27th as well. It is a busy time of the year on the WVRR.
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« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2015, 12:58:35 PM »
Have you ever noticed that there is very little said about French Lick and West Baden Railroad?

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« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2015, 03:12:15 AM »
French Lick should probably market better, especially online, but I am not sure if they have enough volunteers.

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« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2015, 09:54:46 AM »
They also don't have much to see down there anymore...essentially all of their rolling stock is now locked behind their gated property and they upset a lot of people when they scrapped a bunch of their cars the last couple years. Their location is a hindrance for them - they draw well locally.

People in Indy are a lot more willing to drive over to Connersville than to French Lick to let their kids ride a "Thomas."

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« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2015, 01:06:34 PM »
They also don't have much to see down there anymore...essentially all of their rolling stock is now locked behind their gated property and they upset a lot of people when they scrapped a bunch of their cars the last couple years. Their location is a hindrance for them - they draw well locally.

People in Indy are a lot more willing to drive over to Connersville than to French Lick to let their kids ride a "Thomas."

It is much easier to reach French Lick from the south, so they likely get more people from Evansville and Louisville than from Indianapolis. Also, the train gets a lot of casino traffic.

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« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2016, 07:24:27 PM »
Had a fun trip w the boys to Metamora from Connersville Saturday. Metamora was busy. Also caught the little switcher running to the end of the line

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« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2016, 01:14:01 PM »
Going through my pictures I found a picture of the Harrison depot from perhaps around 1905. Charles Fegley collection. Charles ran the coal yard there in Connersville for many years and was an avid railfan.
Also another picture was with it that I cannot pinpoint. Does the other depot look familiar to anyone?
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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2016, 11:09:31 AM »
Can't make out the sign, almost looks like B,L&C RR

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« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2016, 11:13:47 AM »
Dayton, Lebanon, & Cincinnati Railroad (DL&C) ?

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« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2016, 11:27:21 AM »

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« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2016, 10:22:46 PM »
I believe the photo to be a northbound in the vicinity of the University of Dayton. There is a church dome in the background along with a very substantial building with lots of chimneys that very much resemble a UD Structure and the 1869 chapel. I can't think of anywhere else this would be as the DL&C connected with the CL&N near Lebanon so it would need to be in the Dayton area. Just my humble opinion.

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« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2016, 10:29:06 PM »
Thats Frederick Avenue crossing the tracks behind the train

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« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2016, 10:30:09 PM »
Frerick Way  Need my readers!!!