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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2016, 12:24:07 PM »
Agreed.  But once they had the junk parked in front at the depot, whatta you gonna due when it won't make air or whatever?

Believe that shuttle was the whole reason the Hoosier State originally developed on off days...it was figured that as long as they were running, might as well stick a passenger coach on the rear.

Cardinal should be at least once daily, don't think there is any quibble about that.
Three day a week trains are hopeless.

IMHO The equipment shuttle to and from Indy should be run as a special extra train, without passengers on it.  But, hey, that would probably take an Act of Congress.

CSX would demand $10 million per train plus at least $75 billion in infrastructure to add sidings and improve the signaling?




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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2016, 09:10:05 AM »
Today's (Sat) 51 was 19 min late to CIN, 2h26m to COI and 2h3m late to IND.  Wonder if she got tangled up in Cincy?

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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2016, 09:59:06 AM »
Not to worry, she won't be that late into Chicago.  Rode last Saturday and we left Indy on time and hit every stop on time all the way to Dyer, where I got off and I don't think we ever got over 50.  With way too much schedule padding, we dawdled our way to Chicago.

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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2016, 10:37:07 AM »
Today's (Sat) 51 was 19 min late to CIN, 2h26m to COI and 2h3m late to IND.  Wonder if she got tangled up in Cincy?

If I had to guess the weather played a factor.  Wicked winds with that storm front last night, lots of trees down and power outages.

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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2016, 10:48:56 AM »
I saw it through Brownsburg today they had a conventional cab GE in the lead and a heritage unit of some sort, a few passenger cars, an genesis GE loco in the middle and more passenger cars?  Must have been shuffling equipment from the Grove?
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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2016, 12:15:27 PM »
He was 2 hours and 18 min late out of Dyer Indiana.

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« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2016, 04:02:11 PM »
517 is one of the 20 GE 3200 horse road switchers built for Amtrak in 1991.  They have been mostly relegated to yard duties lately, although one has been on the Crescent routinely, as well as two on the Coast Starlight.
116 a repair job from a road crossing incident earlier this year
707 one of the New York Empire service dualmodes, New York is paying to have them repainted, one at a time because that is all they can spare
Look for another one to show up soon

The P42 in the middle would have been the leader of the Cardinal out of Washington yesterday

No clue why they lost the two hours west of Cincinnati

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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2016, 05:55:13 PM »
If I had to guess the weather played a factor.  Wicked winds with that storm front last night, lots of trees down and power outages.

How often is the line hirailed between Ind <> Coi <> Cin?  You'd think they'd send a truck down through around 3am to make sure the tracks are clear and everything was good to go... Also, what other freights and times besides P050/P051 use the line between those cities?

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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2016, 07:01:47 PM »
How often is the line hirailed between Ind <> Coi <> Cin?  You'd think they'd send a truck down through around 3am to make sure the tracks are clear and everything was good to go... Also, what other freights and times besides P050/P051 use the line between those cities?

Someone who knows for sure will have to chime in, but I think if passenger trains run on a line it has to be hirailed daily (or at least when the passenger trains run). 

360/361 would run the line (if they don't go via Sidney). 360 would go thru in the evening, and 361 would probably be behind AMTRAK in the middle of the night.

CSX would incur considerable additional expense calling a track inspector out in the middle of the night on OT.  Then, if they do find something I think they need a second person to help clear anything so they aren't working alone.  I don't know what AMTRAK pays to run their train, but I bet it would be eaten up pretty quickly calling out inspectors in the middle of the night on OT. 

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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2016, 07:49:03 PM »
I don't know all the details. There was a freight train having issues and took some time getting into McGonigle Siding.

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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2016, 09:11:47 PM »
Not to worry, she won't be that late into Chicago.  Rode last Saturday and we left Indy on time and hit every stop on time all the way to Dyer, where I got off and I don't think we ever got over 50.  With way too much schedule padding, we dawdled our way to Chicago.
There isn't much pad at all until after Dyer. Track speed is 60, thus the reason for the "dawdling".

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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2016, 07:23:26 AM »
FRA wants two inspections a week (week starting Sunday ending Saturday) with art least one calendar day between inspections for all classes of track if you are carrying passengers. 

If an inspector gets called to run track for a storm it is up to his judgement to call for additional help depending on what he sees and how big of a tree he feels comfortable cutting out of the way.  If it's a whole tree across the track help will be most likely called in help if it's good sized, if just some limbs need trimmed then they will probably do it themselves.

As far as the OT the inspectors get a ton of it, there is always something happening on the mainline, car on the track, semi on the track, cold runs, heat runs, flood runs, storm runs, mechanical problem with a train that requires track inspection, it's always something.
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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2017, 10:19:24 AM »
Heads up to the north for a mid-day sighting of the Cardinal!  Amtrak 51 is nearly 4.5 hours late out of Indy; they lost 3:45 in New Jersey, no way to catch-up from that so early in the trip.  They arrived in Indy at 9:34 AM Sat 2/11/2017 and departed at 10:08 AM.  Just heard them get their EC-1 for the Crawfordsville Branch (but only to COR) at 10:15 AM.  Lead unit is AMTK 195.

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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2017, 12:34:08 PM »
The Northeast had that Major Snow Storm. Cant mess with Mother Nature. 

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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2017, 12:38:05 PM »
12:36 Indy time, and it appears 51 is about to get going north again.
They've been waiting for switching operations at CSX Lafayette yard.

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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2017, 12:41:22 PM »
There were also caternary failures in and around NY Penn station, not necessarily weather related.
All those new electric locomotives are worthless when there is no juice.
One train got to sit 5 hours with no heat, toilet flush, or (gasp!!) Wi-Fi.
Cardinal was lucky to have gotten out at all.

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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2018, 08:38:47 AM »
I just saw a very late westbound Cardinal stopped on the B&O bridge over I-65 I-70 downtown.

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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2018, 08:45:11 AM »
Anyone know the cause of 50's "service disruption" overnight?



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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2018, 10:05:54 PM »
Anyone know the cause of 50's "service disruption" overnight?



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Re: Cardinal/Hoosier State thru Indy
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2018, 09:59:18 AM »
There's no way all 3 of these Amtrak trains (850, 851, and 51) are still out on the line this morning.  Did the 8/31/2018 Hoosier State experience a service disruption (other than 850 being delayed an hour-and-a-half last night), or did their final arrival time on each end just fail to get reported or logged?