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Posted by: indyspy
« on: March 07, 2012, 04:39:37 PM »

Here is a PLAN B of sorts, Even without the relocation downtown this has been kicked around now and again.

This would connect the old PRR Thorne runner to the B&O.

The connection would be limited here by Shadeland Ave's overpass and the Brookville Road underpass. It would still end up a rather steep connection.
Posted by: trainmaster53
« on: March 07, 2012, 03:44:07 PM »

As I said Earlier Lilly's has Ruined Several Neighborhoods Along Kentucky Ave, Delaware Street , Virginia Ave, South Streets and McCarty Street over to East Street. GM Ruined the Valley from Whiteriver Parkway west to Division Street on the North Side of Oliver Ave. GM Had to have the Old Westside Yards and Built their Shipping and Receiving There. And What did GM Do? Close the Truck and Bus Plant. They had to have all those Homes back in the 60s and 70s only to Close the Plant. What  Neighborhood will Lilly's Try to Destroy Next with Their BIG PLANS? Lilly's needs to keep out of the Railroading Business, Something they Apparently KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
Posted by: IndyHog
« on: March 07, 2012, 01:18:16 PM »

The whole Problem Is Eli Lilly. They think they own Indianapolis, But they Don't.  CSX Needs to Tell Eli Lilly where to Go, And shove this Whole Idea Up their Butt. We are NOT INTERESTED. The City of Indianapolis has let Eli Lilly walk all over them for Years. Its time for Indianapolis to Tell Eli Lilly that we are Through Letting You Walk all over Us. Kentucky Ave, McCarty Street and the Area Just South of Downtown is a Good Example of What Lillys has Done. Lillys has been Nothing but a Pain in the Butt for Indianapolis. I Know because I grew Up in the  Valley on Warren Ave. Lillys has done to Neighborhoods what GM done along Oliver Ave.

Well, it doesn't look like Lilly will be a force in the future if you can believe this article

http://www.ibj.com/lilly-to-try-again-to-remove-poisonpill-provisions/PARAMS/article/33072
Posted by: indyspy
« on: March 07, 2012, 07:48:15 AM »

Cool, did not know that. No problems there then.
Posted by: IU_Tower
« on: March 07, 2012, 05:50:30 AM »

Okay here is the last location on the Belt we will look at...

There is not much left at East Side junction, the lower location on the map. The Belt line going off to the left to the ITMZ is long OOS and weed covered. Right now a single rail is pulled just short of 21st street and the crossing at 280 is out. The line going off to the right is the old Hunter industrial line.
But as you can see, 21st street and Sherman cause a veritable cluster of crossings in one small area. This would have to be addressed with underpasses or over passes for the roads.

Belt Junction is the last spot the upper portion, the mains would obviously swing back onto the NYC alignment here. The Brightwood siding starts here off 2 main.

The segment between Eastside Junction and Belt Junction has always been single track, but with moving some utilities you could probably fit two tracks here. They left enough space under I70.

I will have one last "study" I will show an alternate connection possibility from the B&O into the back of Hawthorne. It has it's own challenges.


I beg to differ. Look north from 21st Street at the Belt. See how it jogs to the left? The connector WAS double tracked at one time. When CSX replaced the crossing  over Sherman Drive, they unearthed a parallel set of tracks from under the old asphalt...
Posted by: indyspy
« on: March 07, 2012, 03:21:04 AM »

Here is a google street view of the weird legacy Super 70 left. The belt connection bridge and the Sherman drive bridge over.... nothing. With the overpass now over it.

I have an idea, give me 50 bucks of the study money. Write the whole thing off as a bad idea, and return the rest to the treasury!. LOL
Posted by: indyspy
« on: March 07, 2012, 01:32:38 AM »

Okay here is the last location on the Belt we will look at...

There is not much left at East Side junction, the lower location on the map. The Belt line going off to the left to the ITMZ is long OOS and weed covered. Right now a single rail is pulled just short of 21st street and the crossing at 280 is out. The line going off to the right is the old Hunter industrial line.
But as you can see, 21st street and Sherman cause a veritable cluster of crossings in one small area. This would have to be addressed with underpasses or over passes for the roads.

Belt Junction is the last spot the upper portion, the mains would obviously swing back onto the NYC alignment here. The Brightwood siding starts here off 2 main.

The segment between Eastside Junction and Belt Junction has always been single track, but with moving some utilities you could probably fit two tracks here. They left enough space under I70.

I will have one last "study" I will show an alternate connection possibility from the B&O into the back of Hawthorne. It has it's own challenges.
Posted by: indyspy
« on: March 07, 2012, 01:14:35 AM »

Actually that's looks like the lot on the corner of South & East owned by Wellpoint (Anthem)......... held in reserve if they need more space

But yeah, there used to be a REAL farmers market and a neighborhood on the south side of South Street.

Posted by: indrr
« on: March 06, 2012, 11:42:18 PM »

Lilly, which owns several parcels of land downtown would like to see the elevated tracks demolished so the land could be used for development. Also since they own much of the Belt they would make money there also. Completely self-serving by Lilly.
As if Lilly has done a heck of a whole lot with this entire city block they bought up and cleared: http://g.co/maps/6axwm

Lilly the pharmacist makes some good drugs, but Lilly the developer sucks.
Posted by: Bob Durnell
« on: March 06, 2012, 10:44:14 PM »

Lilly, which owns several parcels of land downtown would like to see the elevated tracks demolished so the land could be used for development. Also since they own much of the Belt they would make money there also. Completely self-serving by Lilly.

Well I understand THAT. I don't agree with it, but I understand it.  What I don't get is doing a study of removing ONLY freight from downtown.  That doesn't help Lilly or anyone else.
Posted by: Cmdr_Suds
« on: March 06, 2012, 10:28:04 PM »

Indyspy, make sure you include high banked turns on your new connectors.  They work well for NASCAR.  ;D
Posted by: 510Russ
« on: March 06, 2012, 09:26:55 PM »

Wow, Indyspy, how much are you going to charge the city for those "studies" you just did?  You could probably charge just a fraction of what those engineering firms would, and your data would be just as useful!   ;D

-- Russ
Posted by: trainmaster53
« on: March 06, 2012, 09:19:02 PM »

The whole Problem Is Eli Lilly. They think they own Indianapolis, But they Don't.  CSX Needs to Tell Eli Lilly where to Go, And shove this Whole Idea Up their Butt. We are NOT INTERESTED. The City of Indianapolis has let Eli Lilly walk all over them for Years. Its time for Indianapolis to Tell Eli Lilly that we are Through Letting You Walk all over Us. Kentucky Ave, McCarty Street and the Area Just South of Downtown is a Good Example of What Lillys has Done. Lillys has been Nothing but a Pain in the Butt for Indianapolis. I Know because I grew Up in the  Valley on Warren Ave. Lillys has done to Neighborhoods what GM done along Oliver Ave.
Posted by: 1976
« on: March 06, 2012, 05:25:05 PM »

Since when?

BTW, shouldn't they be talking to the LIRC instead of CSX about then track in their front yard?
LIRC ownership stops just North of Hanna Ave. at MP4.
Posted by: indyspy
« on: March 06, 2012, 04:37:52 PM »

They might get away with using a retaining wall setup, it would be more expensive but save space.